Dura-Ace R9200
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I don't think it'll work at all if you mix them up, but I can't say that I've tried to intentionally get them wrong .
The bike I have here was built and set up by Shimano EU, and does this overshift thing too. At some point I took the cassette off (to have a look at the 12-speed hub, and the cassette itself).
It performed the same after I put the cassette back on
As for whether or not you really notice it.. I didn't notice it at first.. the only thing I felt was that the chain did something strange. When I looked down it turned out to shift extra, and then immediately move back. When I knew what was happening, it was a lot harder to ignore
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TerryDi2C wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:52 pmI don't think it'll work at all if you mix them up, but I can't say that I've tried to intentionally get them wrong .
The bike I have here was built and set up by Shimano EU, and does this overshift thing too. At some point I took the cassette off (to have a look at the 12-speed hub, and the cassette itself).
It performed the same after I put the cassette back on
As for whether or not you really notice it.. I didn't notice it at first.. the only thing I felt was that the chain did something strange. When I looked down it turned out to shift extra, and then immediately move back. When I knew what was happening, it was a lot harder to ignore
Terry you mention that Shimano Europe setup your bike, I assume through your feedback or your website connections that they are aware of the issue/working on a fix?
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They gave me a Wilier Filante SLR with R9200 to take home about five weeks ago. I'm bringing it back to them Tuesday.stevec1975 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:23 pmTerryDi2C wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:52 pmI don't think it'll work at all if you mix them up, but I can't say that I've tried to intentionally get them wrong .
The bike I have here was built and set up by Shimano EU, and does this overshift thing too. At some point I took the cassette off (to have a look at the 12-speed hub, and the cassette itself).
It performed the same after I put the cassette back on
As for whether or not you really notice it.. I didn't notice it at first.. the only thing I felt was that the chain did something strange. When I looked down it turned out to shift extra, and then immediately move back. When I knew what was happening, it was a lot harder to ignore
Terry you mention that Shimano Europe setup your bike, I assume through your feedback or your website connections that they are aware of the issue/working on a fix?
I have asked them about this shifting before, but they were on Christmas break then.
I'll ask when I bring back the bike
If we're lucky they roll out a silent production / design fix 12 months hence and refuse to acknowledge that they've done so or replace faulty cassettes.
What chain ring is that? And is that the weight with bolts?wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:02 pmWeight Dura ace 12s crank without powermeter vs rotor crank with power2max 4s-l powermeter
I was excited about Rotors carbon arms, but it's too bad their setup is still ~30g heavier than Red/Dzero. Wonder how light they could be if the axle was bonded on one side like most other brands.
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I'm not sure if that's correct. It seems that the older red/quark where lighter but the newer versions not. At least I didn't see a full setup with the latest red/quark weightedBigBoyND wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:55 amWhat chain ring is that? And is that the weight with bolts?wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:02 pmWeight Dura ace 12s crank without powermeter vs rotor crank with power2max 4s-l powermeter
I was excited about Rotors carbon arms, but it's too bad their setup is still ~30g heavier than Red/Dzero. Wonder how light they could be if the axle was bonded on one side like most other brands.
Bonding is nice but not very modular so it's a trade off which I gladly accept as I can simply swap the crank arms as I'm experimenting with shorter arms anyway.
Thm arms are lighter but if I see weight limits on essential parts then I skip like crank arms then I skip.
The pictures shown are the rotor rings which are as light or lighter then the new carbon ti rings and weight includes the bolts too ( you don't see them on the picture)
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Is ultegra 11-30 cassette available anywhere in EU? I got everything else ready and waiting to be installed
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ive got a dura ace 11-30 for sale, DM me if interested...e4rthm0ver wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:13 pmIs ultegra 11-30 cassette available anywhere in EU? I got everything else ready and waiting to be installed
Is it a 100% confirmed that dfoir doesnt work with 9200/8100 rings? Is it doesn't fit or the curves dont match so looks ugly?
What you're thinking of are the Quarq arms, which got heavier. They used to be as light as Red and are now Force equivalent. Or GXP which is heavier than DUB.wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:43 pmI'm not sure if that's correct. It seems that the older red/quark where lighter but the newer versions not. At least I didn't see a full setup with the latest red/quark weightedBigBoyND wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:55 amWhat chain ring is that? And is that the weight with bolts?wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:02 pmWeight Dura ace 12s crank without powermeter vs rotor crank with power2max 4s-l powermeter
I was excited about Rotors carbon arms, but it's too bad their setup is still ~30g heavier than Red/Dzero. Wonder how light they could be if the axle was bonded on one side like most other brands.
Bonding is nice but not very modular so it's a trade off which I gladly accept as I can simply swap the crank arms as I'm experimenting with shorter arms anyway.
Thm arms are lighter but if I see weight limits on essential parts then I skip like crank arms then I skip.
The pictures shown are the rotor rings which are as light or lighter then the new carbon ti rings and weight includes the bolts too ( you don't see them on the picture)
I got the Red DUB arms and my set is 602g with Praxis rings. If your chainrings are as light as CarbonTi, then that means the crank arms are even heavier.
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Thanks. I managed to snatch ultegra from Bike24 today, all were gone in minutesmashiehood wrote:ive got a dura ace 11-30 for sale, DM me if interested...e4rthm0ver wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:13 pmIs ultegra 11-30 cassette available anywhere in EU? I got everything else ready and waiting to be installed
I will be fitting groupset to 2020 Specialized Roubaix with Rotor Aldhu crank + power2max PM + absoluteblack ovals.
Anyone running new group on AB ovals or I will be the first here?
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Sorry if this has been asked before,
Do we have a firm conclusion now which groupset is lighther - specifically,
The SRAM Red AXS with PM vs the 12spd Da Di2 with shimano owned PM?
I could see that since Red AXS crank with PM is quite lighter than DA chainset with PM, this makes them a bit equal in weight when include batteries and such.
Do we have a firm conclusion now which groupset is lighther - specifically,
The SRAM Red AXS with PM vs the 12spd Da Di2 with shimano owned PM?
I could see that since Red AXS crank with PM is quite lighter than DA chainset with PM, this makes them a bit equal in weight when include batteries and such.