What Equipment Not to Buy

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kervelo
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by kervelo

Valbrona wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:39 pm
After messing around with bikes for 40 years, my advice on what NOT to buy:-

1/ Anything Campagnolo. Too many year-on-year compatability issues.

2/ Campagnolo cranksets. Extra/expensive tooling required to replace bearings.

Anything else?
1/ never had any compatibility issues with my full Campy setups.
2/ not really true, only a simple bearing puller needed.

3Pio
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TiCass wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:35 pm
Pedal based power meter and crank arm based power meter. I don't doubt that out of the box, it's just as good as any other type of PM. But after hundreds km of bad condition, I feel it's a different story.
It's just not as reliable as crank based PM. I don't have any research, just a monstrous amount of anecdotal evidence of power drop, battery drainage, inexplicable power peak... ;)
I had just a minor problems with Faveros for now (2-3 times left pedal was totaly drained). In all that situations was able to switch to left power only, and to continue.. Also after last time contacting the support got new firmware and seem no problems for now after that...And i have 13700 km on them, for now...In this 13700 km no power drop, no inexplicable power peak... And i ride them in all kind of weather... Even thinking to get another pair for my second bike....

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tabl10s wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:28 pm
Valbrona wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:39 pm
After messing around with bikes for 40 years, my advice on what NOT to buy:-

1/ Anything Campagnolo. Too many year-on-year compatability issues.

2/ Campagnolo cranksets. Extra/expensive tooling required to replace bearings.

3/ Novatec hubs. Lack of end user infromation makes swapping freehub bodies a faff if you do not know if end caps need switching or washers need relocating.

Anything else?
My first carbon bike was a Trek that I had Carbon Record 10 installed based on the legendary quality of the hubs. I remember wanting to get the bike serviced, but because it was Campy, it was going to be difficult and expensive.

After reading all this things about Campy, i have impression that outside of Europe shops make things more complicate then it really is, just to be able to get more money for sevice or parts connected with Campagnolo.. Here (at least in part of Europe where i live), Campy servicing is same price, even easier for service (since u can order all small part numbers and good service manuals) then Shimano, and is not considered as prestige or status simbol... So no.. Campy is not dificult to get serviced, in reality is oposite (because of the reasons i mentioned)....

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RussellS
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tabl10s wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:28 pm
I remember wanting to get the bike serviced, but because it was Campy, it was going to be difficult and expensive.
???? I have never ever understood how ----, ----, ---- people cannot work on their own bikes. And are forced to have a bike shop work on their bikes. Wow. I've had Campagnolo since early 1998 and always worked on my own bikes. Even replaced that little part in 9 speed Ergo shifters that broke when it was made from cast aluminum. Replaced with a carbon/plastic piece. Oh, just so you know, bike repair/maintenance is really simple and easy. Whether its Campagnolo or Shimano.

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Miller
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by Miller

Not even going to grace the Campag remarks with a reply but I like Novatech hubs. They've done me very well. Lightweight, well made, easy to service, available in a good range of formats.

So much negativity around, why do people feel the need to whine in public.

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Things I Have Had Issues with Things Everyone Should Avoid

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dgasmd
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by dgasmd

-Ciamilo brakes. Serious chit!!!
-SMP and Specialized saddles proved to be real arz hatches for me
-clincher tires in general. Used tubular for years until I had the temptation to try clinchers. Dozens of flats vs 1-2/year with tubulars. One year too many!!!
-custom shoes. Tried D2. 4 “adjustments” later they never fit right and eventually started to tear!! Unless the maker is local I’ll never do that again!!

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C36
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by C36

Boy... not sure where this post is going, I read a lot of “I had bad experience” = “you should all be warned not to ever use this cause it’s 100% crap” they are two very different things.
Saying something as generic than “don’t use Campagnolo”, “don’t use tires” surprises me from this place where I expected a bit more balance in the judgment.


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jih
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by jih

Are there any cranks or BBs these days that don’t need a bearing puller or other ‘special’ tool to change the bearings? Seems unfair to single out Campag for this.

Valbrona
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by Valbrona

C36 wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:50 pm
Boy... not sure where this post is going, I read a lot of “I had bad experience” = “you should all be warned not to ever use this cause it’s 100% crap” they are two very different things.
Saying something as generic than “don’t use Campagnolo”, “don’t use tires” surprises me from this place where I expected a bit more balance in the judgment.
When you have been riding and messing around with bikes for 40 years, including a number of years spent in the industry (OEM manufacturer), you can spot 'bad trends'. Sure, every manufacturer can do something good or something bad from time to time, but sometimes with companies the philosophy is just wrong. Like poorly conceived products, like the need for extra/expensive tooling, like utter crap after sales support, like excessive compatability issues.

Now, where's my Campagnolo Overtorque tool got to?

Valbrona
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by Valbrona

jih wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:57 pm
Are there any cranks or BBs these days that don’t need a bearing puller or other ‘special’ tool to change the bearings? Seems unfair to single out Campag for this.
ONE manufacturer decides to put their bearings on the axle(s).
EVERY OTHER manufacturer decides to put the bearings in the BB in some way.

Nuff said.

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Valbrona wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:06 pm
jih wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:57 pm
Are there any cranks or BBs these days that don’t need a bearing puller or other ‘special’ tool to change the bearings? Seems unfair to single out Campag for this.
ONE manufacturer decides to put their bearings on the axle(s).
EVERY OTHER manufacturer decides to put the bearings in the BB in some way.

Nuff said.
Which BB is this particular proprietary tool for then? Clue; it’s not a campagnolo product
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Dura Ace 9000 and 9100 11 speed cassettes

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by AJS914

I've had a number of Campagnolo cranksets and they have all been faultless. I love the Ultra Torque system. No other system can be serviced so quickly. Not being much of a foul weather rider and always using some synthetic bearing grease, I've never had an UT bearing go bad on me.

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jih
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by jih

Valbrona wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:06 pm
jih wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:57 pm
Are there any cranks or BBs these days that don’t need a bearing puller or other ‘special’ tool to change the bearings? Seems unfair to single out Campag for this.
ONE manufacturer decides to put their bearings on the axle(s).
EVERY OTHER manufacturer decides to put the bearings in the BB in some way.

Nuff said.
Are the tools really that much more specialised to change the bearings on a crank spindle vs in the BB cups? This seems like such a minor point to make a fuss over.

Ultratorque has been unchanged for about a decade now. Plenty of time to have bought some fairly simple tools.

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