What Equipment Not to Buy

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
Valbrona
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by Valbrona

After messing around with bikes for 40 years, my advice on what NOT to buy:-

1/ Anything Campagnolo. Too many year-on-year compatability issues.

2/ Campagnolo cranksets. Extra/expensive tooling required to replace bearings.

3/ Novatec hubs. Lack of end user infromation makes swapping freehub bodies a faff if you do not know if end caps need switching or washers need relocating.

Anything else?

Berzin1
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by Berzin1

I find it difficult to understand how it is that Campy lost the plot after being up there with the rest (it was only Shimano as compeetition, but still...)

1995 was their apex, along with Colnago. Their retail sales were solid year anfter year, and they were sponsoring many more pro teams as compared to now.

But even back in the days, I would overhear conversations from industry people that Campy was overrated. What innovations they incorporated into their groupsets came with some price markups that definitely hurt their sales in the US.

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by corky

Valbrona wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:39 pm
After messing around with bikes for 40 years, my advice on what NOT to buy:-

1/ Anything Campagnolo. Too many year-on-year compatability issues.

2/ Campagnolo cranksets. Extra/expensive tooling required to replace bearings.

3/ Novatec hubs. Lack of end user infromation makes swapping freehub bodies a faff if you do not know if end caps need switching or washers need relocating.

Anything else?

No.2 is covered by no.1......

I’ve also been riding for 40 years, only run Campagnolo........

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by nafaiutb

Valbrona wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:39 pm
After messing around with bikes for 40 years, my advice on what NOT to buy:-

1/ Anything Campagnolo. Too many year-on-year compatability issues.

2/ Campagnolo cranksets. Extra/expensive tooling required to replace bearings.
You’re a shimano sales rep and I claim my $5

3Pio
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by 3Pio

Owning three bikes with Campagnolo groupset.. 1 x Veloce 10s, 2 x Record 11s..

Except chain and cassetes (chain every 5000 km, cassette 15000 km) still no any problem and still same bearings even on one of 11s groupset that have 22000 km (without any sign that ill need to replace it soon )....Image

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ManekiNico
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by ManekiNico

I take it your day in the workshop did not go well?

Full disclosure: Avowed Campagnolo user/wrencher. My other hobbies include Italian design, paying too much for things, and mortification of the flesh.


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Sock3t
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by Sock3t

Don't buy a prebuilt bicycle with the idea you're going to upgrade it later.

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by AJS914

Is the idea here to troll Campagnolo users?

My take is that Shimano got ahead with the SIS and STi innovations. Campagnolo was able to catch up with those technologies but never surpass Shimano. Campagnolo has always crushed them in beauty and design which appeals to some buyers.

Campagnolo never pursued the OEM game like Shimano. Shimano was willing to supply a groupset at every price point for both road and mountain. Shimano also leveraged cheap labor and Campagnolo stayed close to home.

Campagnolo doesn't rule the bike part world but they also don't need to. They still find buyers for what they specialize in.

SchallUndRauch
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by SchallUndRauch

Campa has better ergonomics, works just as well, and is made in Europe.
Also, with their components, chances are you'll be able to exchange tiny parts of their inner workings when necessary, e.g. Ergoshift. Not so much with Shimano.
Reasons enough for me to buy them.
As to the purported topic: I find Park Tool stuff to be overrated as to its function, and rather expensive. So kind of what you criticize with Campa ;-)

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wheelsONfire
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by wheelsONfire

Sorry OP, you were bound to be stomped on this one ;-)
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Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
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Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


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by ichobi

And here I was thinking you are going to mention skimpy and weak but light quick releases and stuff.

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by prebsy

Sock3t wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:30 pm
Don't buy a prebuilt bicycle with the idea you're going to upgrade it later.
X 1000. A lot of bikes look like good deals until you realize you will be selling the cockpit , crankset, wheels.

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by tabl10s

Valbrona wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:39 pm
After messing around with bikes for 40 years, my advice on what NOT to buy:-

1/ Anything Campagnolo. Too many year-on-year compatability issues.

2/ Campagnolo cranksets. Extra/expensive tooling required to replace bearings.

3/ Novatec hubs. Lack of end user infromation makes swapping freehub bodies a faff if you do not know if end caps need switching or washers need relocating.

Anything else?
My first carbon bike was a Trek that I had Carbon Record 10 installed based on the legendary quality of the hubs. I remember wanting to get the bike serviced, but because it was Campy, it was going to be difficult and expensive.
2016 Orbea Orca OMR:

15.0lbs/6.804kg.

2013 Wilier Zero.7:

13.02lbs/5.906kg.

2016 Rca:

11.07lbs/5.048kg.

2015 Pinarello F8:

13.04lbs/5.915kg

2018 S-Works SL6(shooting for 11lbs).

TiCass
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by TiCass

Pedal based power meter and crank arm based power meter. I don't doubt that out of the box, it's just as good as any other type of PM. But after hundreds km of bad condition, I feel it's a different story.
It's just not as reliable as crank based PM. I don't have any research, just a monstrous amount of anecdotal evidence of power drop, battery drainage, inexplicable power peak... ;)

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by Kayrehn

Enduro XD-15 bearings. Service is terrible and they left me hanging for months after promising to send me a wavy washer for Sram GXP cranks. The actual bearings couldn't last a year of light mileage and dry road usage, making it the most useless thing I've ever bought.

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