Cervelo S5 2019 vs Bianchi XR4 . Please help me choose my next bike.

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zappafile123
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by zappafile123

silvalis wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:23 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:20 am
silvalis wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:08 pm
zappafile123 wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:29 am
The XR4 *is* old now and is about to be superceded. Personally I would freakin hate having dropped $$$ only for my new rig to be 'obsolete'.
The xr4 is about half way through it’s lifespan. Bianchi works on a 5-6 year cycle. Expect the next one some time 2021 or 22
Oltre, XR, XR2, XR4 all came out within the space of about 8 years man (2010-2017) - thats a 2 year life cycle. The Infinito CV did have a very long life span becuase it was their best selling bike and there wasn't market pressure to update it (due to no one trumping the CV thing... according to Bianchi).

You could be right, but I reckon there's going to be a 2021 bike released next year.
Hmm true. It was a bit of an odd schedule. The xr2 replaced the xr within a year or two. 4 year gap to xr4
Wonder why...
From what I heard the reason for the quick succession from the initial Oltre to the XR2 was that they all had issues with cracking; some aeras of the first Oltre were too thin so it wasn't stiff enough and then XR had a design flaw that led to heaps of warranties for cracks developing around the seat stays. I think it was only 3 years between the XR2 in 2014 and the XR4 in 2017.
But if you think about it, what can they do next? The incorporation of CV was a logical step from XR2-4. They put it through the wind tunnel, they made a disc version. Seems like they'd just need to start again, albeit going further down the aero line of things. Last I heard the Specialissima will stay in production for a long time so it makes sense to make a hyper-aero bike... whatever that is...
The only real problem with the XR4, if you can call it that, is snappiness or liveliness. But I think thats just how conterveil rides - its a dense, heavy material designed to suck up energy. Other than that the XR4 ticks all the boxes - it handles well, is stiff, super comfortable and respectably light. Its probably not realisitic to make it much lighter than it is.
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@matrix --

You're in the Bay Area? I'm riding an XR3 in the 53cm size, which looks maybe like the size you'd need, eyeballing your F10 photo (though I'm all too aware how wonky frame sizing descriptions can vary by manufacturer). You're welcomg to give my bike a spin if you want to swing by -- it's not exactly the same feel as the XR4, but the same geometry, and I've found Bianchi geometry to be tricky.

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zappafile123 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:28 am

From what I heard the reason for the quick succession from the initial Oltre to the XR2 was that they all had issues with cracking; some aeras of the first Oltre were too thin so it wasn't stiff enough and then XR had a design flaw that led to heaps of warranties for cracks developing around the seat stays. I think it was only 3 years between the XR2 in 2014 and the XR4 in 2017.
But if you think about it, what can they do next? The incorporation of CV was a logical step from XR2-4. They put it through the wind tunnel, they made a disc version. Seems like they'd just need to start again, albeit going further down the aero line of things. Last I heard the Specialissima will stay in production for a long time so it makes sense to make a hyper-aero bike... whatever that is...
The only real problem with the XR4, if you can call it that, is snappiness or liveliness. But I think thats just how conterveil rides - its a dense, heavy material designed to suck up energy. Other than that the XR4 ticks all the boxes - it handles well, is stiff, super comfortable and respectably light. Its probably not realisitic to make it much lighter than it is.
I don't recall the last time I saw a TJV rider on a Specialissima? Haven't been looking though...

I imagine any new oltre would be a similar grand tourer like the xr4, f12, etc.
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by zappafile123

silvalis wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:23 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:28 am

From what I heard the reason for the quick succession from the initial Oltre to the XR2 was that they all had issues with cracking; some aeras of the first Oltre were too thin so it wasn't stiff enough and then XR had a design flaw that led to heaps of warranties for cracks developing around the seat stays. I think it was only 3 years between the XR2 in 2014 and the XR4 in 2017.
But if you think about it, what can they do next? The incorporation of CV was a logical step from XR2-4. They put it through the wind tunnel, they made a disc version. Seems like they'd just need to start again, albeit going further down the aero line of things. Last I heard the Specialissima will stay in production for a long time so it makes sense to make a hyper-aero bike... whatever that is...
The only real problem with the XR4, if you can call it that, is snappiness or liveliness. But I think thats just how conterveil rides - its a dense, heavy material designed to suck up energy. Other than that the XR4 ticks all the boxes - it handles well, is stiff, super comfortable and respectably light. Its probably not realisitic to make it much lighter than it is.
I don't recall the last time I saw a TJV rider on a Specialissima? Haven't been looking though...

I imagine any new oltre would be a similar grand tourer like the xr4, f12, etc.
It's bc the XR4 is hands down a better frame than the Specialissima. The Specialissima has a kinda uninspired, doughy ride quality IMO - great for riding all day, but not so great for attacking up a hill or feeling fast. Actual weights tend to hover around 900g for the frame too - only about 100-130g lighter than an XR4. Have no idea why it gets rave reviews - it just doesnt stack up compared to the competition.
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