When will you buy eTap AXS?

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.

The question is when...?

Poll ended at Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:50 am

Right NOW!
8
3%
Soon, when I get a better deal.
10
3%
April, when Force eTap AXS would appear.
18
6%
Want it, but no plan.
46
16%
My current groupset is just fine.
198
69%
Never! Single Speed FTW!
7
2%
 
Total votes: 287

yinzerniner
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by yinzerniner

yinzerniner wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:38 pm
loup wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:00 pm
Does anyone has the weight for the Red AXS Shifters for mech. rim breaking? Couldn't find any data sofar :(
Best guess is 270g for the pair. I have a set coming in pretty soon and will confirm.

Force AXS rim shifters are 303g.
Just got the Red AXS Rim Brake shifters in, and they weight 288g for the pair, so roughly 28g more than the Red ETAP Rim Brake shifters.

Will confirm weight difference later.

DaveS
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by DaveS

Way over priced. Got two chorus 12 groups for less than one force axs group.

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XCProMD
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by XCProMD

Well, Chorus is mechanical and comes without a power meter as a standard. Doesn’t look like apples to apples to me.


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DaveS
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by DaveS

XCProMD wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:42 pm
Well, Chorus is mechanical and comes without a power meter as a standard. Doesn’t look like apples to apples to me.


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From what I can see, the power meter costs another $600. The partial group goes for $1650, then it costs about $650 for the cassette, crank and BB, for about $2250 in total.

The crank, cassette and BB cost about the same as chorus.

I want to equip two bikes more than I want electronic. I really needed the 32/34 low gear more than anything.

zinedrei
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by zinedrei

DaveS wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:13 pm
Way over priced. Got two chorus 12 groups for less than one force axs group.
Chorus has wires :D

seriously, cant even compare these 2.
even the gearing is different.
heck, if you go that route, why not go for r7000 instead? you may even have spare change for a third bike

600usd for the pm spider is a bit high.
my LBS sells it for 500 only :D

XCProMD
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by XCProMD

DaveS wrote:
XCProMD wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:42 pm
Well, Chorus is mechanical and comes without a power meter as a standard. Doesn’t look like apples to apples to me.


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From what I can see, the power meter costs another $600. The partial group goes for $1650, then it costs about $650 for the cassette, crank and BB, for about $2250 in total.

The crank, cassette and BB cost about the same as chorus.

I want to equip two bikes more than I want electronic. I really needed the 32/34 low gear more than anything.
I completely get your point. Chorus is the groupset I have ridden and installed in my entire cycling life, and I will be very likely buying a Scott’s Addict frameset to put a Chosus on it as soon as I can get my hands on one.

But it’s horses for courses IMO. Super Record EPS is even more overpriced than Red AXS by that standard, yet to me it’s worth every single €.


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DaveS
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by DaveS

zinedrei wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:03 am
DaveS wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:13 pm
Way over priced. Got two chorus 12 groups for less than one force axs group.
Chorus has wires :D

seriously, cant even compare these 2.
even the gearing is different.
heck, if you go that route, why not go for r7000 instead? you may even have spare change for a third bike

600usd for the pm spider is a bit high.
my LBS sells it for 500 only :D
Force is sram's only lower tier 12 speed offering. I've already read how it shifts multiple sprockets far slower than chorus. No one but SRAM has a 10 tooth cog, but is it an advantage? Each brand has muliple chainring combinations available. Maybe you need a 50/10 top gear like a pro level sprinter who normally uses a 55/11?

Their lowest gear offering is about the same as a 50/34. Campy has a new 48/32 and 11-34 cassette that offers lower gearing for steep climbing.

Maybe electronic appeals to those with lots of money and not enough skill to install cables.

yinzerniner
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by yinzerniner

DaveS wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:27 pm
zinedrei wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:03 am
DaveS wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:13 pm
Way over priced. Got two chorus 12 groups for less than one force axs group.
Chorus has wires :D

seriously, cant even compare these 2.
even the gearing is different.
heck, if you go that route, why not go for r7000 instead? you may even have spare change for a third bike

600usd for the pm spider is a bit high.
my LBS sells it for 500 only :D
Force is sram's only lower tier 12 speed offering. I've already read how it shifts multiple sprockets far slower than chorus. No one but SRAM has a 10 tooth cog, but is it an advantage? Each brand has muliple chainring combinations available. Maybe you need a 50/10 top gear like a pro level sprinter who normally uses a 55/11?

Their lowest gear offering is about the same as a 50/34. Campy has a new 48/32 and 11-34 cassette that offers lower gearing for steep climbing.

Maybe electronic appeals to those with lots of money and not enough skill to install cables.
So you need 12 speeds and lower gearing because your legs are too weak to make up for tiny cadence changes and grinding up greater than 5% slopes? Has your hours of keyboard hero time cut into your leg day that much? Do you even lift, Bruh?

Obviously the above is said completely faceciously, but in all seriousness your needs are your needs and your choices are yours alone. Providing reasoning behind them is ok, but ENOUGH with the constant denigration of other's priorities just to prop up your point.

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Alexbn921
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by Alexbn921

Sram rear shifting is excellent. Shifting is virtually instantaneous and it runs through the cassette more than fast enough.

Front shifting could be better and I prefer the feel of a cable as you have feel and can control the pressure.

Overall, I’m very happy with the whole package. I looked at Campy, but the BB turned me off and there is zero parts availability. Overall gearing range was smaller for the high-end builds and wheel choices are more limited.
I have had some glazing on my brake pads and am going to upgrade to Trickstuff pads.

FYI my gearing is: 33/48, 10/33 with a power metter.

DaveS
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by DaveS

yinzerniner wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:55 pm
DaveS wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:27 pm
zinedrei wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:03 am
DaveS wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:13 pm
Way over priced. Got two chorus 12 groups for less than one force axs group.
Chorus has wires :D

seriously, cant even compare these 2.
even the gearing is different.
heck, if you go that route, why not go for r7000 instead? you may even have spare change for a third bike

600usd for the pm spider is a bit high.
my LBS sells it for 500 only :D
Force is sram's only lower tier 12 speed offering. I've already read how it shifts multiple sprockets far slower than chorus. No one but SRAM has a 10 tooth cog, but is it an advantage? Each brand has muliple chainring combinations available. Maybe you need a 50/10 top gear like a pro level sprinter who normally uses a 55/11?

Their lowest gear offering is about the same as a 50/34. Campy has a new 48/32 and 11-34 cassette that offers lower gearing for steep climbing.

Maybe electronic appeals to those with lots of money and not enough skill to install cables.
So you need 12 speeds and lower gearing because your legs are too weak to make up for tiny cadence changes and grinding up greater than 5% slopes? Has your hours of keyboard hero time cut into your leg day that much? Do you even lift, Bruh?

Obviously the above is said completely faceciously, but in all seriousness your needs are your needs and your choices are yours alone. Providing reasoning behind them is ok, but ENOUGH with the constant denigration of other's priorities just to prop up your point.
My legs are weaker than they used to be, but that's what happens after 40 years of riding and too many leg presses - two knee replacements. I've ridden the Mt Evans hill climb in 2:35, at age 53. That would usually get you in the top 10, for the age group. Fast forward 13 years and now I'm riding 12-16% grades on the steep hills of northern Colorado. Yes, I need lower gears for that. I'm also just now back after an 8 year hiatus. Campy's new 48/32 arrived just in time for me. I am using a SRAM force 12 chain, just as an experiment.

I guess no one asked how to get 12 speed without spending a fortune. I got my groups for 1060 USD.

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Kjetil
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by Kjetil

Alexbn921 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:35 pm
I looked at Campy, but the BB turned me off
Would you care to explain why?
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gwerziou
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by gwerziou

DaveS wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:53 pm

I am using a SRAM force 12 chain, just as an experiment.
This is interesting - is it the ‘flat top’ chain? Does it work?

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wheelsONfire
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When Etap gives up, i'd consider it
Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
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Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


Ex bike; Vial EVO D

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Alexbn921
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by Alexbn921

I didn't like pressing the bearings onto the axles and then slip fitting them into the frame, or bonding them into the frame. Frame manufactures have such sloppy tolerances and bb issues seem to be the #1 problem with press fit bikes.
I wanted a trek, but BB90 was a no go with dub cranks and suspect with Campy. Ended up with Specialized/dub system and that was a PITA too.

Mostly just personal preference as I know they can work just fine.

zinedrei
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by zinedrei

DaveS wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:27 pm
zinedrei wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:03 am
DaveS wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:13 pm
Way over priced. Got two chorus 12 groups for less than one force axs group.
Chorus has wires :D

seriously, cant even compare these 2.
even the gearing is different.
heck, if you go that route, why not go for r7000 instead? you may even have spare change for a third bike

600usd for the pm spider is a bit high.
my LBS sells it for 500 only :D
Force is sram's only lower tier 12 speed offering. I've already read how it shifts multiple sprockets far slower than chorus. No one but SRAM has a 10 tooth cog, but is it an advantage? Each brand has muliple chainring combinations available. Maybe you need a 50/10 top gear like a pro level sprinter who normally uses a 55/11?

Their lowest gear offering is about the same as a 50/34. Campy has a new 48/32 and 11-34 cassette that offers lower gearing for steep climbing.

Maybe electronic appeals to those with lots of money and not enough skill to install cables.
but they have wires :D

by Weenie


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