When will you buy eTap AXS?

[rollinslow]

Not a big success and with normal Record below it.

And how does that change the fact that we are already in the world of $5K groupsets? But thank you for your wonderful contribution to this thread

Completely agree. The opportunity cost is insane with AXS. That money would be much better spent on some awesome wheels, and everything else top notch. Too bad they won't continue ETAP 11sp as an option. I had my eye on this for a travel bike.

Could you imagine building a 15-18k dream bike and have it be electronically outdated in a few years?

[bm0p700f]

I have no need for a cassette that starts with a 11t cog. Wake me when 12 speed cassettes starting with a 14t become available.

Miche also offer 14t starts for 11 speed.

[RussellS]

I have no need for a cassette that starts with a 11t cog. Wake me when 12 speed cassettes starting with a 14t become available.

For some bizarre reason, you think chainrings MUST be 53-39. Odd. On my loaded touring bike I have an 11-32 ten speed cassette. Its perfect paired with my 44-33-20 chainrings. Plenty high gear, plenty medium gears, plenty low gears. Perfect touring gearing. And it starts with an 11 cassette!!!! Several of my older bikes with 53 tooth chainrings start with 13 cogs. Perfect high gear. If forced to use an 11 cog cassette with those bikes, I'd probably use 11-21 or 11-23 cassettes and 46-33 chainrings.

[robertbb]

I have no need for a cassette that starts with a 11t cog. Wake me when 12 speed cassettes starting with a 14t become available.

Totally agree. For me, even on a 50/34 chainring, the 11t is useless, therefore 12 speed is useless.

With that chainring, the cassette must start with a 12t and include a 16t - the Campy 12-29 is perfect.

12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23-26-29

Add an 18 into the above and 12 speed might be appealing.
Or add a 32 at the end for that matter.

[RocketRacing]

This 12 speed thing does not do much for me. When it happened in mtb... eagle 500% range was all the rage. I had a casette from e13 with 9-46 with 511% range. It was cool at first, but as my fitmess went up, those bailout gears were rediculous. So i swapped to a 11-42 and i rarely use the easiest two gears.

As i like to say, if you are using the saucer plate gears... you are losing.

Mind you, closer spacing and a little more gear for the big long climbs is nice to have. I am no superman

[DaMaDo]

My issue with AXS is that I currently have the 11 sp etap and no way to keep any of the components with AXS...not even the levers. I don't want to have to upgrade an entire group all at once, so I won't be going the AXS route on my road bike. Mtn maybe because the brakes are separate.

I like Shimano's philosophy of letting you mix and match different generations. So after I'm done with this 11 speed etap, I might switch to Shimano.

Next etap update might be 13 speed in 3 years with zero compatibility to the 12 sp.

[Daniel1975]

Don’t trust Shimano to much for keeping their compatibility strategy. Look at the new xtr groupset; also several components that are not interchangable.

[robertbb]

So I saw this groupset at my LBS today. I will say it does look great in the flesh. And you'd f*ckin hope so at that price.

[Kjetil]

I have no need for a cassette that starts with a 11t cog. Wake me when 12 speed cassettes starting with a 14t become available.

Totally agree. For me, even on a 50/34 chainring, the 11t is useless, therefore 12 speed is useless.

Depends on your riding. Even MAMILs who can spin have troble keeping their place in a double paceline with a 12 as the smallest cog with classic (that would be standard, semi, and compact) cranks.Even if I don't do it much any more there's still that downhill from Lautaret towards Briancon where it's a bummer spinning out thile trying to catch that slipstream.

One of the really nice things with Etap AXS is the ratios available.

[dvq]

Could you imagine building a 15-18k dream bike and have it be electronically outdated in a few years?

I doubt that people building 18K dream bikes are crying over upgradeability.

:world's smallest violin:

[Dan Gerous]

Could you imagine building a 15-18k dream bike and have it be electronically outdated in a few years?

I doubt that people building 18K dream bikes are crying over upgradeability.

:world's smallest violin:

They will probably be buying 24K bikes before the chainrings wear out.

[dvq]

Could you imagine building a 15-18k dream bike and have it be electronically outdated in a few years?

I doubt that people building 18K dream bikes are crying over upgradeability.

:world's smallest violin:

They will probably be buying 24K bikes before the chainrings wear out.

24K bikes come with integrated batteries in the derailleurs with no charge port.

[Dan Gerous]

Could you imagine building a 15-18k dream bike and have it be electronically outdated in a few years?

I doubt that people building 18K dream bikes are crying over upgradeability.

:world's smallest violin:

They will probably be buying 24K bikes before the chainrings wear out.

24K bikes come with integrated batteries in the derailleurs with no charge port.

Obviously!

[RussellS]

Even MAMILs who can spin have troble keeping their place in a double paceline with a 12 as the smallest cog with classic (that would be standard, semi, and compact) cranks.

Don't know what a MAMIL is but... 53x12 is 117 gear inches. 31.3 mph at 90 rpm. 50x12 is 110 gear inches. 29.5 mph at 90 rpm. Unless you are a Professional racer, or pedaling real hard going down a steep hill, you are not going to see 29, 30, 31 mph on a bicycle.

[Karvalo]

Don’t trust Shimano to much for keeping their compatibility strategy. Look at the new xtr groupset; also several components that are not interchangable.

Yeah, mechanical compatibility. Of course you can't mix 11 and 12 speed mechanical parts, just like you couldn't mix 10 and 11 or 9 and 10. But when new 12sp DI2 comes out you may well be able to plug in older electronic parts, just as you've often been able to do with each new gen.