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tabl10s
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2016 Orbea Orca OMR: 15.0lbs/6.804kg...😐 | 2016 Rca: 11.07lbs/5.048kg...😭 | 2015 Pinarello F8: 13.04lbs/5.915kg...😩 | 2018 S-Works SL6: 12.04/5.625kg... πŸ˜₯

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Interesting wheels..950g for 38mm tubulars without weight limit..would be interested in their stiffness and if it is at least nearly true what they say about their braking performance..

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tabl10s
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hannawald wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:47 pm
Interesting wheels..950g for 38mm tubulars without weight limit..would be interested in their stiffness and if it is at least nearly true what they say about their braking performance..
I thought Pinarello had the exclusive on T1000 carbon, but I see this conpany and Cipollini use it also.
2016 Orbea Orca OMR: 15.0lbs/6.804kg...😐 | 2016 Rca: 11.07lbs/5.048kg...😭 | 2015 Pinarello F8: 13.04lbs/5.915kg...😩 | 2018 S-Works SL6: 12.04/5.625kg... πŸ˜₯

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wheelsONfire
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I see you viewed my link of the lighest stem :D
Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=156137
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


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mattr
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tabl10s wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:05 pm
I thought Pinarello had the exclusive on T1000 carbon, but I see this conpany and Cipollini use it also.
Unlikely. T1000 is a commercially available fibre. IIRC it has been for at least 20 years.

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by snowdevlin

Pinarello is supposed to have the exclusive on T1100.

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wheelsONfire wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:58 pm
I see you viewed my link of the lighest stem :D
Yes.
2016 Orbea Orca OMR: 15.0lbs/6.804kg...😐 | 2016 Rca: 11.07lbs/5.048kg...😭 | 2015 Pinarello F8: 13.04lbs/5.915kg...😩 | 2018 S-Works SL6: 12.04/5.625kg... πŸ˜₯

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snowdevlin wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:00 am
Pinarello is supposed to have the exclusive on T1100.
D'oh!
2016 Orbea Orca OMR: 15.0lbs/6.804kg...😐 | 2016 Rca: 11.07lbs/5.048kg...😭 | 2015 Pinarello F8: 13.04lbs/5.915kg...😩 | 2018 S-Works SL6: 12.04/5.625kg... πŸ˜₯

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snowdevlin wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:00 am
Pinarello is supposed to have the exclusive on T1100.
That would make far more sense, T1100 has only been around a couple of years, the advertising stuff says that they have the rights to T1100 1K, so i would guess we'll be seeing other weaves on other manufacturers fairly soon.

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wheelsONfire
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Which company would build a frameset of only one type weave?

From what i have understood, such a frame, with very stiff weave/resin would be very brittle.
The greatness of a frameset is in the knowledge gathered from revisions / updates.
Not to promote, but as an example i used to have gen 1 of Vial EVO.
This has been updated several times by now, which proves they have learned by gathering information.
Actually, my option went for the slightly heavier version this time (and even that, is a minimal increase in weight).
Making a frame as stiff as possible aswell as lowering weight to minimal, sure, i think many designers could.
But it also increase the risk for fails like cracks appearing with time.

Today, i would be a little cautious. But it's up to each one of us to decide.
Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
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Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


Ex bike; Vial EVO D

mattr
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wheelsONfire wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:07 am
Which company would build a frameset of only one type weave?
When building mid/top end frames, none of them. They usually quote the most exclusive/expensive/technically advanced and hope no one questions what other weaves/grades they've used.

The cookie cutter/mass produced frames might use a single grade of "base spec" CF, because its cheap and easy to get hold of.

Pretty much like the "olden days" of steel and aluminimum frames.
Cheapies are made out of commercially available base spec, straight gauge cro-moly or 7005/6061 tubing. Mid range might use main tubes from reynolds/tange or a hydroformed/butted tube or two. Rest will be standard stuff.
High end might get an entire custom tubeset and have fancy heat treatments and butting.

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by hannawald

What do you say to these T1000 wheelsets? 38mm 950g, 50mm 1030g. They mention some mystery brake tracks..no rider weight limit.
http://www.dream-bikes.it/shop/en/440-u ... 50-gr.html
http://www.dream-bikes.it/shop/en/441-u ... 30-gr.html

About braking (quotation):

"HardWheel Road rims has got a special high performance braking surface developed by GrigioCarbonio and called "ABS" (Aerospace Braking Surface). This technology is patent pending.

This braking surface is made directly during lamination (no coating) with an aerospace material very hard (9Β° of Mohs scale so like rubins and sapphires seconds only to diamonds which are at the top with 10Β°) and able to withstand to high temperatures.

So this braking surface is very hard and strong amd there isn't any brake pad able to wear it!, The friction coefficient of this special material is very high so it assure a great brake power with a perfect modulation also in severe wet conditions, the final braking performance is incredible and very close to disc brakes one.

Also thermical proprieties of this special material helps to obtain a superior performance because it works like an heat barrier and protect rim resin and tubular glue from dangerous overheating.

You can't find another carbon rim on the market able to allow you a similar braking performance, it's a real "must to have"!"

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wheelsONfire
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There are so many companies today that claim both this and that.
If this was compared to religion, we would have thousands of Jesus running around....
(Can't worship them all)
Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=156137
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


Ex bike; Vial EVO D

hannawald
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At least they provided some details..it is not just we use better resin than our competitors..they added some hard material during lamination..is it new idea or somebody tried before?

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by bm0p700f

950g 38mm tubulars are not that difficult. No one wants them though. If they do people want them cheap. Of course the rims and hubs needed are not cheap.

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