Re: Titanium road frames with internal routing
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:45 pm
I wouldn't say that is categorically true. If the cable routing is the same, meaning the cable is guided along the same route but "integrated" is inside a frame tube and "non-integrated" is outside, that will mean something like a 20-30mm difference in the actual cable route in relation to frame. In that case the integration won't affect the radius of housing bends etc., so performance should be closely comparable.MyM3Coupe wrote:To the OP if your going with mechanical shifting forget internal routing as it typically degrades shift performance.
The most tidy version of this I've seen so far!
You can see one iteration of the T-Red fully internal hose routing here, about halfway down the page: https://bikerumor.com/2016/03/07/nahbs- ... -crankset/petert123 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:57 pmThe most tidy version of this I've seen so far!
Looks like Passoni Top Force does full internal routing, but it's a press-fit BB and that price! Get what you pay for I guess. Been in contact with No. 22 to confirm they also do full, but the import costs start to bump it up against pricier Passoni. I'd forgetten about T-Red, looking now at their options.
pamountainbiker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:20 pmIs this new news? I have two Mosaic RT-1's and am working on desigining a third, this time with disc brakes. They - Mosaic - will not fully route the disc hose internally, unless something has changed and they are willing to do this now. They will only route it internally in the downtube at which point it exits a few inches above the BB and then goes externally to the brake. Firefly is the same, so is Baum (Aus located). Here are the reasons. Firefly, Mosaic and I assume Baum are pretty adamant that the disc hose run enclosed in a small diameter ti tube within the host tube because the disc hose needs support. There's no way to feasibly do this in a tube to tube welded bike. Additionally in Mosaic's case unless Aaron has changed his mind, won't do T47 BB. Only traditional BSA which doesn't give enough room or BB30, which in theory could, except...it would require a slot cut through the BB sleeve to accommodate the bend of the hose either within the shell internally or externally like Baum who uses T47.Lugan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:37 pmMosaic will build your frame with any specific cable arrangement you want. Mine is set up for eTap, which of course means no shiter cable/wire routing at all, but internal hydro brake hose routing. Their routing is super clean - can't be cleaner. Highly recommended.
The only American, at least, custom ti manufacturers I am aware of that will do full internal routing are Bingham (Eriksen) and 22. In both cases they don't adhere to the whole "support the hose the whole way in a tube" theory. Additionally, even in a T47 shell, routing a disc hose, and potentially Di2 wires makes for a very tight fit indeed. But it can be done. It's not optimal, but it can be done. This is what Bingham told me. Possible, but very tight.
I like 22 Bikes, I like internal routing, but ultimately, I think Aaron / Mosaic, Tyler / Firefly and Baum have it right. For ti frames it's most likely best to route internally via downtube to right before the BB at which point the hose can run externally.
Sure has the smell of yet another online marketing 'plaunt'... nothing on the site I could find per geo. Well written verbiage though for the masses to get their plastic currentcy in motion. The lifetime warranty via builds done in the far east.. I have to wonder how long a repair would take.. months..or even a yr.de lars cuevas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:30 pmThis is my custom Pilot mountainbike with internal cabing, using full lenght internal liner tubes:
Since it's set up singlespeed, I only use the liners for the hydraulic brake hose. Full story(s) here: https://www.velozine.nl/2018/11/26/proj ... ed-deel-3/
Pilot cycles https://www.pilotcycles.com/nl/196/pilo ... s/modellen is a Dutch titanium brand. Design in the Netherlands, production in the far east. They offer standard and custom frames. Standard roadbike frames come with these liners for 2000€ . Their custom work is not "Crisp-depth" custom, but very affordable: custom geo will just cost you 250€ extra.
Hi there, I'm not a native speaker, I don't quite get what you mean. Could you elaborate?WinterRider wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:49 pmSure has the smell of yet another online marketing 'plaunt'... nothing on the site I could find per geo. Well written verbiage though for the masses to get their plastic currentcy in motion. The lifetime warranty via builds done in the far east.. I have to wonder how long a repair would take.. months..or even a yr.
Same ol' same ol.