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Jugi
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by Jugi


Karvalo wrote: Why do you think that? In what way does it cater to MAMILs better that a normal design?
I just don't appreciate the aesthetics. I do appreciate Cervelo's unique design philosophy and their willingness to "stick to their guns" for the past ten years, but this design just doesn't do it for me. I do believe it is fast, as a manufacturer like Cervelo can't release a product which may be revealed as clearly inferior to competition.
Why do you think the S5 stem means the bike doesn’t fit, and why do you think it destroys the idea of aero?
Because as a base configuration it gives me the feeling this bike will cater for a casual rider. In my opinion an aero bike should be a throughbred racing bike for a racer. This bike's dimensions do not look like the ones on a racing bike. This bike looks like a casual aero bike, which I do not understand.

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by Karvalo

Jugi wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:43 am
Karvalo wrote: Why do you think that? In what way does it cater to MAMILs better that a normal design?
I just don't appreciate the aesthetics. I do appreciate Cervelo's unique design philosophy and their willingness to "stick to their guns" for the past ten years, but this design just doesn't do it for me. I do believe it is fast, as a manufacturer like Cervelo can't release a product which may be revealed as clearly inferior to competition.
OK... but why does that mean it caters to MAMILs? Because it doesn't fit your ideal aesthetic it must be for fat old guys?
Why do you think the S5 stem means the bike doesn’t fit, and why do you think it destroys the idea of aero?
Because as a base configuration it gives me the feeling this bike will cater for a casual rider. In my opinion an aero bike should be a throughbred racing bike for a racer. This bike's dimensions do not look like the ones on a racing bike. This bike looks like a casual aero bike, which I do not understand.[/quote]
Ok, there's a pretty simple counter to that which is that (no offense meant) everything you just said about its geometry is wrong. The stem may look like it's going higher, but it isn't. It is a racing bike with racing geometry. The rider positioning is identical to the outgoing S5 with a conventional stem. In fact, the extra adjustability meant you could get the handlebars significantly higher (several cms) on the old S5 than you can on the stock setup of the new one.

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Karvalo
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by Karvalo

wilwil wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:18 am
Isnt the stem angle to do with the design of the bike? The stem angle is to compensate for a very short headtube
Not quite. The headtube is more or less the same length as before - the stem angles up because there is no steerer tube sticking up above the headtube

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by IchDien

I, for one, think it looks great. I don't like the dubaibikes one, though.

The Sunweb one looks amazing. The only thing I'd change would be a fade from black into white for the downtube logo.

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by timmerrr

When I ordered my S5 the dealer was so happy that a serious rider/racer was ordering one. I assume most people ordering the dura ace di2 version are overweight middle age dentists that are going to ride it with a huge stack of spacers so their gut doesn't get in the way of their legs. The Udi2 bike that I test road had been fitted for its eventual owner and it had a huge stack of spacers on it... Ugly as sin with the spacers. Slammed it looks great. If a -17 equivalent comes out and the stem is in line with the top tube its going to be even better looking.
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by TiCass

The Venge, SS, Madone, Propel, etc... they all look goofy with a lot of spacers.
In my opinion, the only one that got it right is the S3, simply because the headtube is taller so it fits the average cyclist better.

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by spdntrxi

timmerrr wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:09 pm
When I ordered my S5 the dealer was so happy that a serious rider/racer was ordering one. I assume most people ordering the dura ace di2 version are overweight middle age dentists that are going to ride it with a huge stack of spacers so their gut doesn't get in the way of their legs. The Udi2 bike that I test road had been fitted for its eventual owner and it had a huge stack of spacers on it... Ugly as sin with the spacers. Slammed it looks great. If a -17 equivalent comes out and the stem is in line with the top tube its going to be even better looking.

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by corky

Also fat Dentists subsidise the bikes you super svelte workers buy, without them stumping up for the latest technology you would would either not have it or it would be at a much higher price........so when you see the fat dentist with his gut hanging over the stem, give him a hug and say thanks

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by Monkeyfudger

I don’t actually think that’s true anymore, likely used to be, the “industry” seen they could charge £7-8k a few years ago without the dentists even flicker an eyebrow so now we’re up to £10k bikes.

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by spdntrxi

my kids dentist is a skinny chap... who runs 5min miles for miles... judging by his business he would not flicker at 15k bike.
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by AJS914

So many elitist attitudes in this topic!

Do you guys think that skinny racers training 20 hours a week can afford $8-15K super bikes? The 200 guys riding on the world tour certainly don't buy them. Neo pros and cat ones making peanuts don't buy their own super bikes out of pocket. Who actually buys them? Normal blokes with jobs who like to ride bikes, that is who actually pays money for these bikes and keeps bicycle companies in business. Some of those guys are fast and some of those guys are slow. So what? Either rider will be faster on an aero bike. End of story.

This attitude that one doesn't deserve an aero bike if they can't ride it without spacers is simply ridiculous. Bernard Hinault rode with the equivalent of a giant spacer stack.

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by spdntrxi

I agree with AJS... my aerobike will have 20mm of spacers likely and I will end up buying another stem.. price I pay for going smaller since I was a tweener with BMC frame sizing.
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by Karvalo

timmerrr wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:09 pm
I assume most people ordering the dura ace di2 version are overweight middle age dentists that are going to ride it with a huge stack of spacers so their gut doesn't get in the way of their legs.
Oh I'm sure most consumers will be middle age non racers - as the consumer majority of all high end aero bikes are.

But on the new S5 the 'huge' stack of spacers maxes out at 3.5cm including (IIRC) the ~1cm that would normally be accounted for by the bearing cap. Despite looking like the stem is upturned it's actually less conducive to a fully stacked MAMIL setup than most normal race bikes, or indeed than it would be if you used the standard steerer tube conversion instead.

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by timmerrr

I'm not mad about it. If you make that much money and enjoy riding then the more power to you. I was just saying that the guys at the shop were excited to see the bike get used the way it was intended. A lot of the high end stuff they sell goes to people who are casual cyclists who make lots of money.
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