Future classic bike?

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
TLN
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by TLN

Hi all.

It's wintertime here in Chicago and I'm slowly working on my bikes. I got Allez Sprint and I'm pretty happy with it. I was thinking about upgrading it to carbon frame though. Recently I got myself a new disc aerobike for 2019 and now I have more concerns about Allez: having two very similar bikes is overkill for me.
Allez that I have is Sprint Limited X1: Force 1x, CL64 wheels and etc. I live in flat area and 1X works great here: less stuff to worry about, minimalistic and good-looking. I'm quite heavy guy, and not worried about deep profile wheels. Ideally I'd move all the component to a new frame and take it from there. I was thinking of something that looks classic, minimalistic and preferably use standart equipment: stem/seatpost/etc. I'm totally ok spending extra time(and money) to make a look and ride perfect, however I'm not going after minimal weight: I'm heavier rider and don't want to stress it. Also I'd like to keep CL64 wheels. Might go with etap, but have no complaints about Force now. I'm ok with any material: titanum or carbon. Potentially I might strip paint: I like that "raw carbon look".

Bottom line: Looking for "classic" looking rim-brake frame, that will be used with deep wheels. Obviously looking for some upgrade from Allez.

So far:
-Supersix is high on my list: it's light and responsive. Classic look, straight lines, simple design. Seatpost is 25.4, but I'm ok with that.
-BMC Teammachine - again classic lines, horizontal top-tube, fast and light.
-Titanium frames: Don't want to spend a fortune, but I like looks of Foundry Chilkoot. I kinda regret not getting this frame, when I found one in my size.
-Others.

Or should I forget about it, and enjoy my Allez as it is now?

wintershade
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by wintershade

You want classic looking retro-modern? I'm the the process of ordering a custom Stelbel INOX. Doesn't get any better than this.....

https://granfondo-cycling.com/stelbel-x-campagnolo/

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robeambro
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by robeambro

TLN wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pm
Hi all.

It's wintertime here in Chicago and I'm slowly working on my bikes. I got Allez Sprint and I'm pretty happy with it. I was thinking about upgrading it to carbon frame though. Recently I got myself a new disc aerobike for 2019 and now I have more concerns about Allez: having two very similar bikes is overkill for me.
Allez that I have is Sprint Limited X1: Force 1x, CL64 wheels and etc. I live in flat area and 1X works great here: less stuff to worry about, minimalistic and good-looking. I'm quite heavy guy, and not worried about deep profile wheels. Ideally I'd move all the component to a new frame and take it from there. I was thinking of something that looks classic, minimalistic and preferably use standart equipment: stem/seatpost/etc. I'm totally ok spending extra time(and money) to make a look and ride perfect, however I'm not going after minimal weight: I'm heavier rider and don't want to stress it. Also I'd like to keep CL64 wheels. Might go with etap, but have no complaints about Force now. I'm ok with any material: titanum or carbon. Potentially I might strip paint: I like that "raw carbon look".

Bottom line: Looking for "classic" looking rim-brake frame, that will be used with deep wheels. Obviously looking for some upgrade from Allez.

So far:
-Supersix is high on my list: it's light and responsive. Classic look, straight lines, simple design. Seatpost is 25.4, but I'm ok with that.
-BMC Teammachine - again classic lines, horizontal top-tube, fast and light.
-Titanium frames: Don't want to spend a fortune, but I like looks of Foundry Chilkoot. I kinda regret not getting this frame, when I found one in my size.
-Others.

Or should I forget about it, and enjoy my Allez as it is now?
If you're adamant on the wheels, I think the Teammachine looks really pretty with deep wheels. I have this pic saved to remind myself of this fact. Not sure whose bike this is, but still. :mrgreen:
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TLN
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by TLN

More "modern classic" or "future classic" rather then a "retro": Something that will look perfectly fine with deep wheels and etap for example. Something that won't look outdated in 5-6 years from now. Extra points for minimalistic design: Allez is 1x and you cannot even install FD.

AJS914
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by AJS914

It seems like you need to sleep on this a bit longer and figure out what you want.

When do you actually ride the Allez over your "2019 disc aerobike"? I assume you got a Venge there or a Madone?

What are the riding goals for the 2nd bike?

RocketRacing
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by RocketRacing

I rented an allez sprint in hawaii and was impressed. Stiff, but a great bike for the $$$.

Yeah... what disc aero bike do you have? If it was me i would build up your aero bike and make one killer bike, and sell the allez. There is no benefit to a light bike if you are both a larger rider... and living in a flat area.

bilwit
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by bilwit

The new Tarmac and Teammachine are the perfect blend of modern aero and classic lines IMO. For straight up "modern classic," I really like the Factor O2 and the Orbea Orca.

ka3
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by ka3

+1 for S6

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TLN
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by TLN

AJS914 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:45 pm
It seems like you need to sleep on this a bit longer and figure out what you want.
When do you actually ride the Allez over your "2019 disc aerobike"? I assume you got a Venge there or a Madone?
What are the riding goals for the 2nd bike?
Yeah, I've slept on that idea, and came to this forum :) Bike is Systemsix: Knot64 wheels, will likely drop $ on etap as well.
Trying to justify keeping the Allez or some parts of it (wheels first of all).
RocketRacing wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:06 pm
I rented an allez sprint in hawaii and was impressed. Stiff, but a great bike for the $$$.
Exactly. It may not be the most comfortable bike, but perfectly fine for 2hr rides.
On top of that it's cheap (relatively of course) and good-looking bike. I expect systemsix will be more comfortable though.
RocketRacing wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:06 pm
Yeah... what disc aero bike do you have? If it was me i would build up your aero bike and make one killer bike, and sell the allez. There is no benefit to a light bike if you are both a larger rider... and living in a flat area.
Yeah. I was looking at those crazy light bike threads here, but it barely make any sense for me. That's why I was thinking about something with classic look: Supersix or team machine.

jfranci3
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by jfranci3

TLN wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pm
Hi all.

It's wintertime here in Chicago and I'm slowly working on my bikes. I got Allez Sprint and I'm pretty happy with it. I was thinking about upgrading it to carbon frame though. Recently I got myself a new disc aerobike for 2019 and now I have more concerns about Allez: having two very similar bikes is overkill for me.
Allez that I have is Sprint Limited X1: Force 1x, CL64 wheels and etc. I live in flat area and 1X works great here: less stuff to worry about, minimalistic and good-looking. I'm quite heavy guy, and not worried about deep profile wheels. Ideally I'd move all the component to a new frame and take it from there. I was thinking of something that looks classic, minimalistic and preferably use standart equipment: stem/seatpost/etc. I'm totally ok spending extra time(and money) to make a look and ride perfect, however I'm not going after minimal weight: I'm heavier rider and don't want to stress it. Also I'd like to keep CL64 wheels. Might go with etap, but have no complaints about Force now. I'm ok with any material: titanum or carbon. Potentially I might strip paint: I like that "raw carbon look".

Bottom line: Looking for "classic" looking rim-brake frame, that will be used with deep wheels. Obviously looking for some upgrade from Allez.

So far:
-Supersix is high on my list: it's light and responsive. Classic look, straight lines, simple design. Seatpost is 25.4, but I'm ok with that.
-BMC Teammachine - again classic lines, horizontal top-tube, fast and light.
-Titanium frames: Don't want to spend a fortune, but I like looks of Foundry Chilkoot. I kinda regret not getting this frame, when I found one in my size.
-Others.

Or should I forget about it, and enjoy my Allez as it is now?
So you have a disc aero bike and you want to sell the Allez? With the aero bike being your short ride/fast bike, why don't you get an endurance bike that can take 32c 35c tires for some non-road rides? Steel / Ti / Stainless all make great endurance road / gravel bike setups. BMC Roadmachine, Cannondale Synapse SE versions, Cervelo C-series, etc. Put your deep aero wheels on them, and they'll be perfect road bikes; fat tires and you can enjoy a jaunt up the Des Plains river Trail.

TLN
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by TLN

jfranci3 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:33 pm
So you have a disc aero bike and you want to sell the Allez? With the aero bike being your short ride/fast bike, why don't you get an endurance bike that can take 32c 35c tires for some non-road rides? Steel / Ti / Stainless all make great endurance road / gravel bike setups. BMC Roadmachine, Cannondale Synapse SE versions, Cervelo C-series, etc. Put your deep aero wheels on them, and they'll be perfect road bikes; fat tires and you can enjoy a jaunt up the Des Plains river Trail.
I dont think they do RoadMachine in rim-version.
Before Allez I got BMC GF02, which was stolen :noidea: I started with 35c tires, then 32c gravelking - I quickly realized that all that gravel thing is not for me (at least right now) Loop to Bahai runs are way more fun to me.

jfranci3
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by jfranci3

Are you trying to use the CL64 rims on it? Not sure why you’d have an aero bike with deep wheels and a comfy bike with deep wheels. You have not fixed the overlap issue. I’d straightup ditch the CL64 and get one wheel system going.

The aero bike and the Allez Sprint are going to ride equally as shitty. Dropping down to something with a round seat post will be a major improvement, as would going with something with a fancy or D shaped post. You defiantly don’t need to go carbon these days with hydroformed AL as an option.

If you’re looking for a straight beater bike that’ll ride nice and not break the bank, a used Cannondale CAAD something or a used Ti bike. Raleigh and Kona make / made cheap current steel frames. If you’re all about performance, you’re not going to like a thin tubed steel or Ti bike - is go ride one ASAP to clear your mind of it. Johnnysprockets has an All City in stock. Ride it back to back with a plain tarmac or Roubaix (pre bouncy thing)

TLN
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by TLN

jfranci3 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:26 pm
Are you trying to use the CL64 rims on it? Not sure why you’d have an aero bike with deep wheels and a comfy bike with deep wheels. You have not fixed the overlap issue. I’d straightup ditch the CL64 and get one wheel system going.
I wouldn't call SuperSix comfy: it's still race bike, with aggressive geo and stiffness. (Same for Teammachine).
I think we all agree that supersix compared to Allez will be more comfortable, and about as fast as Allez.
jfranci3 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:26 pm
The aero bike and the Allez Sprint are going to ride equally as shitty. Dropping down to something with a round seat post will be a major improvement, as would going with something with a fancy or D shaped post. You defiantly don’t need to go carbon these days with hydroformed AL as an option.
Sounds like Supersix with deep and wide wheels is the way to go: Trading off some aero gains (from frame) for extra comfort and look.

jfranci3 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:26 pm
If you’re looking for a straight beater bike that’ll ride nice and not break the bank, a used Cannondale CAAD something or a used Ti bike. Raleigh and Kona make / made cheap current steel frames. If you’re all about performance, you’re not going to like a thin tubed steel or Ti bike - is go ride one ASAP to clear your mind of it. Johnnysprockets has an All City in stock. Ride it back to back with a plain tarmac or Roubaix (pre bouncy thing)
Beater with CL64s? :)
I was thinking of an Allez upgrade: something that is as fast and more comfortable, but still performance-oriented. I might to to Johnnysprockets and try Ti bike, just to rule it out if I don't like it. Do you think carbon is the way to go?

P.S. I guess one part of me doesn't want to part with Allez, but I still realize that disc bikes are the way to go, since I can get something more comfy and faster at the same time.

P.P.S. What is max clearance on supersix disc?
Found: https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersr ... -mod-disc/
Supersix EVO Disc with 4.5AR @30-31mm wide

Phuddy
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by Phuddy

The Allez Sprint is already a future classic that people will reminisce about when they change the current design. Keep it.

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wintershade
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by wintershade

Bianchi Specialissima? Colnago C64 with custom paint?

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