CAAD12 vs SuperSixEvo (HiMod) vs Giant TCR Pro

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
Post Reply
3Pio
Posts: 1200
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:13 pm

by 3Pio

At the moment owning two bikes: Colnago C60 and Pinarello FP3.

Colnago C60 is my main bike, FP3 trainer/winter bike. C60 is 50S, while FP3 is 53 (similar Stack/Reach).

I got Rettul Fitting in 2016 (August), and the fit was 15mm spacers under the stem of my C60 (and high headset cup 15mm) 110mm stem, 52mm setback with 72.7 bb to top of the saddle... Back then i was about 80 kg and less flexibile than now.

Since then i rode about 25000 km and lost about 10 kg.. So now more flexible, higher FTP....

I still use the same setback/saddle height, but now im riding 7mm spacers under the stem (and high headset cup which is 15mm).

What i feel now im ok on tops and drops regarding bar drop (i feel i maybe would like even lower), but feel to streched in the hood (using Easton EC90SLX3 hadle bar 40cm hoods height, 42 in drops). This handlebar is 75mm reach, 130 mm drop. When i ride and push, i sit on tip of the saddle.. Like i need to shorten the reach or move saddle back foward (and higher).

I feel like a bit smaller bike will make me even faster or maybe i just have an urge to buy another bike :)

Based on geometry, have idea that Cannondale Caad 12 or SuperSixEvo (or HiMod), will match my need at a moment (10mm lower stack then my C60, and 2mm shorter reach).

I have a good offer for Caad12 frameset and need to react really really fast...

The build will be based on Campagnolo Potenza or Chorus (i'll decide later).. Also owning allready three campy wheelset (Shamal ultra, Bora One 50 tub and Bora 35 tub), and both of my other bikes are campy build (C60 Campagnolo Record 11s 2015+, FP3 Campagnolo Veloce 10s).

The last time i rode an alloy bike, was considered as harsh compared to carbon, and not so comfortable.. Just to mention i ride often long rides (like 150-250 km), and plenty of climbing..

So what is ur opinion in term of riding quality of Caad12 vs SuperSixEvo or SuperSixEvo Hi Mod?

Another bike that i consider is Giant TCR Advanced PRO (but will come with Shimano Ultegra, no chance to buy it as frameset).. Also considered Bianchi Specialissima but dont feel that want to spend that much money (for money on Specialissima Frame i can build Caad12 with Campy Record), and also i was a bit dissapointed from the weight of 53 size Specialissima i had a chance to weight it.. Also based on geometry not sure that will work for me (53 a bit too small, 55 a bit too big..)

So should i go for Caad12 tommorow, or just wait for SuperSixEvo (i'll have to get Shimano Build), or Giant TCR Pro? Will be too harsh for long distance high pace ride? I'll use it with 23 or 25 mm tires on Shamals, or 25mm tubs on my Boras...

And if i go Caad12 way.. Which seatpost to get (i wont use DI2 at all).. C2 or Save version? I'll use Selle Italia SLR Carbonio Flow (which have oval rails)


Thanks a lot for ur opinions on this..

Forgot to mention my Height is 175cm, my inseam is 82.3 cm. The size of Cannondale frame im thinking to buy is 52..


Greetings
Last edited by 3Pio on Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

moyboy
Posts: 397
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:19 am

by moyboy

I'd go for supersix evo (with or without hi-mod). Would be more comfortable and also great on climbs and your estimated ride distances.

by Weenie


rlpaul
Posts: 176
Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:25 pm

by rlpaul

CAAD12 rides extremely well. It's not harsh like aluminum of old. Cannondale actually figured out how to make a nice riding aluminum bike with the CAAD10, and haven't looked back. That said, the Evo will dampen a bit more vibration due to carbon vs alloy. It's subtle, but the difference is there. FWIW I've ridden both back to back on familiar roads.

I have extensively ridden the older CAAD10, and it was more comfortable than any carbon bike I had owned up to that point, at all distances. All my CAAD10 riding was on 23mm tubulars.

You really can't go wrong with either the CAAD12 or the Evo, but since ride quality is similar, the bigger question may be; Do you want the 400+ gram lighter frame or not?

I have no experience with the TCR, so can't compare that unfortunately.

3Pio
Posts: 1200
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:13 pm

by 3Pio

rlpaul wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:12 pm
CAAD12 rides extremely well. It's not harsh like aluminum of old. Cannondale actually figured out how to make a nice riding aluminum bike with the CAAD10, and haven't looked back. That said, the Evo will dampen a bit more vibration due to carbon vs alloy. It's subtle, but the difference is there. FWIW I've ridden both back to back on familiar roads.

I have extensively ridden the older CAAD10, and it was more comfortable than any carbon bike I had owned up to that point, at all distances. All my CAAD10 riding was on 23mm tubulars.

You really can't go wrong with either the CAAD12 or the Evo, but since ride quality is similar, the bigger question may be; Do you want the 400+ gram lighter frame or not?

I have no experience with the TCR, so can't compare that unfortunately.
moyboy wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:11 pm
I'd go for supersix evo (with or without hi-mod). Would be more comfortable and also great on climbs and your estimated ride distances.
I ordered today CAAD12 in 52, and also ordered SAVE seatpost which i guess will smooth out the things out, and bonus that is lighter then C2 version.

I liked what i read about clibming ability of CAAD12, and to be honest wondering how the geometry will work for me.. And how will compare in general to my C60 (50S, i opted for a bit smaller version of CAAD12)...

if i really like it, i'll upgrade in the future to SuperSixEvo or HiMod.. Thanks for ur opinions..

moyboy
Posts: 397
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:19 am

by moyboy

sounds like you got a sweet deal. don't worry about it. enjoy the bike. if you need to sell you'll get a good price as the CAAD12 has a great following. :thumbup:

3Pio
Posts: 1200
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:13 pm

by 3Pio

moyboy wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:14 pm
sounds like you got a sweet deal. don't worry about it. enjoy the bike. if you need to sell you'll get a good price as the CAAD12 has a great following. :thumbup:

I had to choose between Giant TCR Advanced Pro and Ultegra (not possability for Campy groupset or just frameset), or CAAD12 with Save Seatpost and any groupset i prefer. So for same price of Giant TCR Advanced Pro i can build CAAD12 with Campy Chorus. Another reason i opted for CAAD12, im very curious about half size smaller then my Pinarello FP3 and C60 i have.. If i opt for Giant it will be same size in term of stack/reach as C60 or FP3, or i'll have to go full size smaller (which im not sure it will work.

I hope CAAD12 will be stiff enough for climbing/sprinting and not too harsh for long distance riding (even i'll keep my C60 , so have comfortable and stiff bike for that purpose).

Will let u know honestly how i like it as soon as i build it.. Of course if someone test ride them both, please share ur experience even if u prefer Giant :)

by Weenie


Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post