CAAD12 Campagnolo Groupset and Colnago C60 Campagnolo builds...

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
robertbb
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by robertbb

3Pio wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:15 am
robertbb wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:05 am
Looks great!

Interesting to hear that you actually prefer the braking on Bora's over Shamals!

On Bora (especially AC3 version i have), there is very very very good modulation when braking.. Total control what happening.. And like more layers of force while braking.. On Shamals there is less space between just a slight braking to totaly very powerfull braking.. Of course it's not bad, and not missing modulation at all, but on Bora's bit better (in dry weather).

And definetely so much braking power on both, that i really dont understund need of Discs on Road bike :) (and there was really steep gradients involved in this personal conclusion)
Modulation on the Shamals can be improved by changing pads to Koolstop black pads. The stock Campagnolo pads for alloy rims are a bit "grabby".

Between the Koolstop black pads on Shamals/Zonda's and the Campy red pads on Boras (3d surface) I can't tell a difference.... other than that distinctive whirrrrr sound of braking with carbon rims.

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3Pio
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by 3Pio

robertbb wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:35 pm
3Pio wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:15 am
robertbb wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:05 am
Looks great!

Interesting to hear that you actually prefer the braking on Bora's over Shamals!

On Bora (especially AC3 version i have), there is very very very good modulation when braking.. Total control what happening.. And like more layers of force while braking.. On Shamals there is less space between just a slight braking to totaly very powerfull braking.. Of course it's not bad, and not missing modulation at all, but on Bora's bit better (in dry weather).

And definetely so much braking power on both, that i really dont understund need of Discs on Road bike :) (and there was really steep gradients involved in this personal conclusion)
Modulation on the Shamals can be improved by changing pads to Koolstop black pads. The stock Campagnolo pads for alloy rims are a bit "grabby".

Between the Koolstop black pads on Shamals/Zonda's and the Campy red pads on Boras (3d surface) I can't tell a difference.... other than that distinctive whirrrrr sound of braking with carbon rims.

Yes, grabby is the word :) But not too bad.. I tried for one period SwissStop pads (i think GXP), and a bit more modulation... Next time if i have a chance i'll try Kool Stop (Kool Stop was my favourite brand in the MTB Days and using Rim Brakes...)

And must say i really like that Distinctive Braking sound on AC3 :) (beside perfect for me braking performance)

BTW, another small suprise.. Yesterday i started glueing first layer of glue on Bora 50 and Continental Competition

Bora 50 Tubs + Continental Competition 25mm + Skewer (front wheel) = 895 gm

Shamal Ultra 15C+Conti 4000 SII 23mm+Latex Vittoria+Skewer (front wheel)= 920 gm

Just 25 gm difference.... Wondering what will be weight difference on the back when i'll start glueing the back ....

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by robertbb

What's your reason for choosing Continental Competitions?

(I chose them too, moved away from Vittorias.... but curious about your thoughts)

3Pio
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by 3Pio

robertbb wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:02 am
What's your reason for choosing Continental Competitions?

(I chose them too, moved away from Vittorias.... but curious about your thoughts)
On that pair of wheelset i was using Continental Sprinter tires (wanted to try with some cheaper option and more durable then Vittoria Corsa G+, since i had a bad luck with first pair of Vittoria's, only 2000 km lasted then...)

So Conti Sprinter show nice durability, and i removed the front one with almost 7500 km puncture free, and rear one lasted 5500 after it got big cut from the rock.

But i also must mention that last Sprinter had a bad luck, peace of glass made a big hole.. Sealant fix it, and put some superglue in the hole, but dont know if this will work or not... Only 2000 km on this tire :) ), so seem luck is very important in life of tires :)

After good durability experience with Sprinters wanted to test Lighter/better Option.. So that's how i bought a Continental Competition (at a moment just one tire, and i'll install it as front tire...)

But on second pair of wheelset i still use Vittoria Corsa's.. And on front tire i have 7000 km, puncture free :) Rear one this time lasted 3000 (same destiny as Sprinter in same week, probably from same route), probably after super glue will stretch to 3500km

I tried to install Conti Sprinter dry, and it took so much effort (to do it i had to deflate the tire completely). Tommorow (when i plan to install it), will be hard time for my fingers :)

3Pio
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by 3Pio

I just installed Competition Tub on my front Bora 50.... So tight unbeliveble.. I was not satisfied from centering, so i removed the tire, put new layer of glue on the rim and install it.. Now fine except a bit messy....

And also this tire made harm to me, but i won at the end :)

If u hate someone give him to install Competition.. If u really really hate someone Competition + Deda Superleggero handlebar in same morning...


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3Pio
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by 3Pio

Yesterday i had a nice Bday Ride :)

Since BDay's are somehow special, i took the special ride this time, which is C60 and Bora 35 wheelset (corsa g+ tires tubs)


Must say i really enjoyed... Some pics from the ride:
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zinedrei
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by zinedrei

3Pio wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:05 pm
I just installed Competition Tub on my front Bora 50.... So tight unbeliveble.. I was not satisfied from centering, so i removed the tire, put new layer of glue on the rim and install it.. Now fine except a bit messy....

And also this tire made harm to me, but i won at the end :)

If u hate someone give him to install Competition.. If u really really hate someone Competition + Deda Superleggero handlebar in same morning...
that looks quite a gash.

btw, does this mean that Deda Superleg handlebars are not good?

3Pio
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by 3Pio

zinedrei wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:51 am
3Pio wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:05 pm
I just installed Competition Tub on my front Bora 50.... So tight unbeliveble.. I was not satisfied from centering, so i removed the tire, put new layer of glue on the rim and install it.. Now fine except a bit messy....

And also this tire made harm to me, but i won at the end :)

If u hate someone give him to install Competition.. If u really really hate someone Competition + Deda Superleggero handlebar in same morning...
that looks quite a gash.

btw, does this mean that Deda Superleg handlebars are not good?
No, Deda Superleggero is nice handlebar except having few things to consider:

1. Hoods in higher position are quite low, so if u prefer a bit up angle u'll have to rotate whole bar

2. U need to use Deda Stem (at my case i got stemp imprints from Fizik Stem 4nm on bolts). Got replacament handlebar but they insisted to use Deda stem (Deda Superleggero as well)

3. What i mentioned if u hate someone give him Deda Superleggero for mounting.. It's really really PIA installing cables using internal routing channel.. I was doing that for hours....U need to have patience about that :)

I love shape of the handlebar, it's stiff for me enough, nice damping/comfort, it's light (still heavier then in specs).... I liked the shape that much that i put Deda Zero100 on CAAD12 to have same shape.. This is also very nice bar, and maybe even better option the Superleggero since it's easier for mounting, u can put hoods higher, it's very stiff, and not harsh, cheaper, dont have to worry about stem imprints... Only negative side is 55 gm heavier....

zinedrei
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by zinedrei

3Pio wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:22 am
No, Deda Superleggero is nice handlebar except having few things to consider:

1. Hoods in higher position are quite low, so if u prefer a bit up angle u'll have to rotate whole bar

2. U need to use Deda Stem (at my case i got stemp imprints from Fizik Stem 4nm on bolts). Got replacament handlebar but they insisted to use Deda stem (Deda Superleggero as well)

3. What i mentioned if u hate someone give him Deda Superleggero for mounting.. It's really really PIA installing cables using internal routing channel.. I was doing that for hours....U need to have patience about that :)

I love shape of the handlebar, it's stiff for me enough, nice damping/comfort, it's light (still heavier then in specs).... I liked the shape that much that i put Deda Zero100 on CAAD12 to have same shape.. This is also very nice bar, and maybe even better option the Superleggero since it's easier for mounting, u can put hoods higher, it's very stiff, and not harsh, cheaper, dont have to worry about stem imprints... Only negative side is 55 gm heavier....
thanks for the info. i use both a Superleg stem and bar and have had no issues. cant say much about routing since my mechanic builds my rigs.

i moved the stem and bar to a new bike and cant see any imprints on the clamping area.
i actually see more residue from the previous bar tape.

last one i got was on AXS and it still took half a day so maybe routing is indeed a pia :D

joeyb1000
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by joeyb1000

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Hey 3Pio, I have almost an identical bike

3Pio
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by 3Pio

joeyb1000 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:43 am
FA2747AC-615F-4A2B-9D57-B8C5D8306F40.jpegHey 3Pio, I have almost an identical bike

Lovely bike u have :)...Asking for riding a lot.. How long u have it? How many km's on urs?

Im doing the last change on my bike, replacing the seatpost.. I need less setback, so went for Deda Superleggero Seatpost (and to match my stem and handlebar).. It's on the way, i'll update the weigt/look as soon as i install it


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