CAAD12, Colnago C60 and Specialized Tarmac S-Works Sl6 Campagnolo 11s builds...

[robertbb]

Looks great!

Interesting to hear that you actually prefer the braking on Bora's over Shamals!

On Bora (especially AC3 version i have), there is very very very good modulation when braking.. Total control what happening.. And like more layers of force while braking.. On Shamals there is less space between just a slight braking to totaly very powerfull braking.. Of course it's not bad, and not missing modulation at all, but on Bora's bit better (in dry weather).

And definetely so much braking power on both, that i really dont understund need of Discs on Road bike (and there was really steep gradients involved in this personal conclusion)

Modulation on the Shamals can be improved by changing pads to Koolstop black pads. The stock Campagnolo pads for alloy rims are a bit "grabby".

Between the Koolstop black pads on Shamals/Zonda's and the Campy red pads on Boras (3d surface) I can't tell a difference.... other than that distinctive whirrrrr sound of braking with carbon rims.

[3Pio]

Looks great!

Interesting to hear that you actually prefer the braking on Bora's over Shamals!

On Bora (especially AC3 version i have), there is very very very good modulation when braking.. Total control what happening.. And like more layers of force while braking.. On Shamals there is less space between just a slight braking to totaly very powerfull braking.. Of course it's not bad, and not missing modulation at all, but on Bora's bit better (in dry weather).

And definetely so much braking power on both, that i really dont understund need of Discs on Road bike (and there was really steep gradients involved in this personal conclusion)

Modulation on the Shamals can be improved by changing pads to Koolstop black pads. The stock Campagnolo pads for alloy rims are a bit "grabby".

Between the Koolstop black pads on Shamals/Zonda's and the Campy red pads on Boras (3d surface) I can't tell a difference.... other than that distinctive whirrrrr sound of braking with carbon rims.

Yes, grabby is the word But not too bad.. I tried for one period SwissStop pads (i think GXP), and a bit more modulation... Next time if i have a chance i'll try Kool Stop (Kool Stop was my favourite brand in the MTB Days and using Rim Brakes...)

And must say i really like that Distinctive Braking sound on AC3 (beside perfect for me braking performance)

BTW, another small suprise.. Yesterday i started glueing first layer of glue on Bora 50 and Continental Competition

Bora 50 Tubs + Continental Competition 25mm + Skewer (front wheel) = 895 gm

Shamal Ultra 15C+Conti 4000 SII 23mm+Latex Vittoria+Skewer (front wheel)= 920 gm

Just 25 gm difference.... Wondering what will be weight difference on the back when i'll start glueing the back ....

[robertbb]

What's your reason for choosing Continental Competitions?

(I chose them too, moved away from Vittorias.... but curious about your thoughts)

[3Pio]

What's your reason for choosing Continental Competitions?

(I chose them too, moved away from Vittorias.... but curious about your thoughts)

On that pair of wheelset i was using Continental Sprinter tires (wanted to try with some cheaper option and more durable then Vittoria Corsa G+, since i had a bad luck with first pair of Vittoria's, only 2000 km lasted then...)

So Conti Sprinter show nice durability, and i removed the front one with almost 7500 km puncture free, and rear one lasted 5500 after it got big cut from the rock.

But i also must mention that last Sprinter had a bad luck, peace of glass made a big hole.. Sealant fix it, and put some superglue in the hole, but dont know if this will work or not... Only 2000 km on this tire ), so seem luck is very important in life of tires

After good durability experience with Sprinters wanted to test Lighter/better Option.. So that's how i bought a Continental Competition (at a moment just one tire, and i'll install it as front tire...)

But on second pair of wheelset i still use Vittoria Corsa's.. And on front tire i have 7000 km, puncture free Rear one this time lasted 3000 (same destiny as Sprinter in same week, probably from same route), probably after super glue will stretch to 3500km

I tried to install Conti Sprinter dry, and it took so much effort (to do it i had to deflate the tire completely). Tommorow (when i plan to install it), will be hard time for my fingers

[3Pio]

I just installed Competition Tub on my front Bora 50.... So tight unbeliveble.. I was not satisfied from centering, so i removed the tire, put new layer of glue on the rim and install it.. Now fine except a bit messy....

And also this tire made harm to me, but i won at the end

If u hate someone give him to install Competition.. If u really really hate someone Competition + Deda Superleggero handlebar in same morning...

[3Pio]

Yesterday i had a nice Bday Ride

Since BDay's are somehow special, i took the special ride this time, which is C60 and Bora 35 wheelset (corsa g+ tires tubs)


Must say i really enjoyed... Some pics from the ride:

[zinedrei]

I just installed Competition Tub on my front Bora 50.... So tight unbeliveble.. I was not satisfied from centering, so i removed the tire, put new layer of glue on the rim and install it.. Now fine except a bit messy....

And also this tire made harm to me, but i won at the end

If u hate someone give him to install Competition.. If u really really hate someone Competition + Deda Superleggero handlebar in same morning...

that looks quite a gash.

btw, does this mean that Deda Superleg handlebars are not good?

[3Pio]

I just installed Competition Tub on my front Bora 50.... So tight unbeliveble.. I was not satisfied from centering, so i removed the tire, put new layer of glue on the rim and install it.. Now fine except a bit messy....

And also this tire made harm to me, but i won at the end

If u hate someone give him to install Competition.. If u really really hate someone Competition + Deda Superleggero handlebar in same morning...

that looks quite a gash.

btw, does this mean that Deda Superleg handlebars are not good?

No, Deda Superleggero is nice handlebar except having few things to consider:

1. Hoods in higher position are quite low, so if u prefer a bit up angle u'll have to rotate whole bar

2. U need to use Deda Stem (at my case i got stemp imprints from Fizik Stem 4nm on bolts). Got replacament handlebar but they insisted to use Deda stem (Deda Superleggero as well)

3. What i mentioned if u hate someone give him Deda Superleggero for mounting.. It's really really PIA installing cables using internal routing channel.. I was doing that for hours....U need to have patience about that

I love shape of the handlebar, it's stiff for me enough, nice damping/comfort, it's light (still heavier then in specs).... I liked the shape that much that i put Deda Zero100 on CAAD12 to have same shape.. This is also very nice bar, and maybe even better option the Superleggero since it's easier for mounting, u can put hoods higher, it's very stiff, and not harsh, cheaper, dont have to worry about stem imprints... Only negative side is 55 gm heavier....

[zinedrei]

No, Deda Superleggero is nice handlebar except having few things to consider:

1. Hoods in higher position are quite low, so if u prefer a bit up angle u'll have to rotate whole bar

2. U need to use Deda Stem (at my case i got stemp imprints from Fizik Stem 4nm on bolts). Got replacament handlebar but they insisted to use Deda stem (Deda Superleggero as well)

3. What i mentioned if u hate someone give him Deda Superleggero for mounting.. It's really really PIA installing cables using internal routing channel.. I was doing that for hours....U need to have patience about that

I love shape of the handlebar, it's stiff for me enough, nice damping/comfort, it's light (still heavier then in specs).... I liked the shape that much that i put Deda Zero100 on CAAD12 to have same shape.. This is also very nice bar, and maybe even better option the Superleggero since it's easier for mounting, u can put hoods higher, it's very stiff, and not harsh, cheaper, dont have to worry about stem imprints... Only negative side is 55 gm heavier....

thanks for the info. i use both a Superleg stem and bar and have had no issues. cant say much about routing since my mechanic builds my rigs.

i moved the stem and bar to a new bike and cant see any imprints on the clamping area.
i actually see more residue from the previous bar tape.

last one i got was on AXS and it still took half a day so maybe routing is indeed a pia

[joeyb1000]

Hey 3Pio, I have almost an identical bike

[3Pio]

FA2747AC-615F-4A2B-9D57-B8C5D8306F40.jpegHey 3Pio, I have almost an identical bike

Lovely bike u have ...Asking for riding a lot.. How long u have it? How many km's on urs?

Im doing the last change on my bike, replacing the seatpost.. I need less setback, so went for Deda Superleggero Seatpost (and to match my stem and handlebar).. It's on the way, i'll update the weigt/look as soon as i install it

[themidge]

That's a lovely C60, definitely a classic. What rims are those?

[3Pio]

I want to experiment with things until i find my sweet spot, and until i realize what i like for real, and what above this sweet spot is just marketing im not interested about.. .So i realized i really dont like Disc brake trends pushed by marketing and that Rim Brake Frames will be hard to find without spending a lot...

So back in June i started this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161769&start=45

And got banned for no reason in this thread , after i stopped posting again.. But recently i got some nice words in my Inbox, so decide to at least share my new build with the community...Especially when i saw that similar build thread was deleted by the owner...

After some thinking which brand to go (almost ordered Factor O2), then was very serious about Bianchi Specialissima, two things made me dont do it: A bit compromise needed about Sizing and Geometry, and price got higher then before.. Then i tried to find Time Alpe D'Huez 01, but it was too complicated with ordering, so calmly i decided to calculate handling/geometry etc, and realized that Tarmac SL6 in 54 will be almost perfect for my size..

First tried to order trought my LBS, but their reply was not possible to order Rim Brake version, just Disc version..

Based on some suggestion in thread i posted (Help me choose potential new frameset (Rim Brakes Non Aero)), checked IBK Bike from Spain, and then in same day as getting my Engineering degree (in July) i decided to go for it.. So i ordered a Tarmac Sl6 S-Works StormGrayRocketRed colour and size 54...

BTW, i also dont like 12sp groupset and made spare for 11s Campagnolo Chorus/Record, and also new Tubular Campagnolo Bora One wheelset (totaly same as i allready have, but i really really like them and have many nice km's on them so why to change after i find my sweet spot? )

Someone will tell that maybe im crazy having spares of same things, but i really found what i looking for so just want to enjoy purpose of those parts.. Cycling and enjoying of Cycling, not beeing crazy about parts etc.. (also made spare of my favourite handlebar shape Deda RHM (Superleggera/Superleggero stem), also saddle...

So i'll continue this thread about building this bike....

Frameset arrieved on 28 July and must admit i was very very excited and happy...






Off course i put it on scale immediately:

Frame is 877 gm





Fork is 359 gm uncutted





To be continued...

[3Pio]

As i said i want to experiment with things until i find a sweet spot, and in groupsets that is Campagnolo Record or Chorus 2015+ 11 speed.. Also i prefer to have same groupset on all my bikes (reason: Ergonomy im used of it and know work for me, function allready tested as proven for me, and easier maintence)

So for this build i slowly completed a new groupset which is made of:

Campagnolo Chorus 52/36 crankset (172.5), Chorus 12-29 cassette, Chorus FD, other parts (Shifters, Rear Deral Mid Cage) Record

After ditching the idea about Factor O2 (the one that i wanted was not with proper seatpost setback i needed, and had to spend extra for new seatpost, also BBRight BB which i was not sure how will work with Campy Ultra Torque crankset after finding some creaking issues around), as i said i almost went for Bianchi Specialissima..

Even bought Chorus Brakes (regular ones) because of that.. But.. Price got higher instead of lower, than a bit doubt about sizing compromise (i test ride Oltre XR4 in 55, realized is big and did not like handling with 100mm stem).. So 53 definetely better, but with high spacers stack (idealy will be 54 which dont exist)...

So since Tarmac Sl6 use Direct Mount brakes i needed new brakes.. I realized based on reading around that for 54 and smaller size, can be problem interfering with frame, and for that purpose there is some remedies like EEBrakes Tarmac 54 or smaller angled bridge

https://r2-bike.com/CANE-CREEK-eeBrake- ... heel-Brake

But EEBrake was my last ressort (many very steep climbs where i live, and reading that EEBrake are great for lightweight brakes, but not on pair with Campagnolo or Shimano, also much above my budget)...

So decided to give a chance to Campagnolo Direct Mount older version brakes...

Both (Front and Rear) are same weight of 165gm





Carbon Brake Bridge and Bolts included with the frame (4 gm and 5 gm)





And the question i was worried about? Does Campy Record Direct Mount interfere with frameset in 54 or smaller?

Regarding this i got some different answers, even suggestion to go with Bontrager brakes (SpeedStop)(which after checking with someone he has same issue, he confirmed that those wont work properly), and after checking they all seem like a problem.. So anyway i had a chance to test Campy's if they work or not, and to buy them after that...



They interfere with the frame when there is no cable tension, but in real world when cable installed no problem at all.. They work perfectly.. And their braking performance are all i ever need from brakes in conditions i ride (again, plenty of very steep hills/climbs where i live, also some of them long.. Also cold weather in winter, and very hot in summer)..

Just in case i put frame protection transparent sticker on this part of the frame to avoid any scratching if somehow cable is broken (which never ever happened to me in my many cycling years)...

[3Pio]

Before ordering the frameset i allready know all numbers compared to my Caad12 and C60 and what i like there or dislike..

On Colnago C60 i have Deda Superleggero Stem -8 deg, Superleggero Handlebar 40 cm (c-c), and perfect position.. So compared to that:



I just needed a new Deda Superleggera Handlebar + Stem in 110 -8 deg which i ordered from chainreactioncycles.com (including some other bits/parts i needed for build) which arrived on 06 August 2020 (just few days after i order them, really quick..)

In meanwhile i used the time for weighting and preparing other parts/bits

Headset bearings weight and type (if someone need replacament):

18 gm + 24gm

Upper:





And Lower one: