Sarto Veneto SL Disc vs. Parlee Altum Disc
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Anyone ridden each? Not common birds around here.
Taking price out of the equation, which frame takes the top shelf? I like how Sarto publishes a stiffness rating (105 N/mm) for their frames. Of course, this means nothing unless everyone publishes on the same scale.
Taking price out of the equation, which frame takes the top shelf? I like how Sarto publishes a stiffness rating (105 N/mm) for their frames. Of course, this means nothing unless everyone publishes on the same scale.
A strange comparison. The Parlee Altum is a made in Asia mass produced frame and the Sarto is much more exclusive, custom, etc. A more appropriate comparison from Parlee would be the Z-Zero.
That said the Altum is excellent. Just a great combination of light, stiff, and comfortable. Very "racy" feeling given the conservative geometry and a great climber. Some feel that they are not particularely attractive with that strange hump behind the headtube, but that depends on one's personal taste.
Never ridden a Sarto. Maybe one day soon.
That said the Altum is excellent. Just a great combination of light, stiff, and comfortable. Very "racy" feeling given the conservative geometry and a great climber. Some feel that they are not particularely attractive with that strange hump behind the headtube, but that depends on one's personal taste.
Never ridden a Sarto. Maybe one day soon.
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.
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I imagine the chances of finding someone who has ridden both is quite slim.
I really like my Altum. I got it as an interim bike while I was having a custom frame made and I ended up keeping the Altum. It is a nice all-round frame. Not super light, not aero, not super stiff, but comfortable to ride, good road feel and stiff enough. I probably have 20,000 miles on it. My biggest gripe is the tight clearance between the chainstays.
The sarto’s advantage is custom geometry. If you are buying stock, any number of nice carbon frames are similar to the Sarto.
I really like my Altum. I got it as an interim bike while I was having a custom frame made and I ended up keeping the Altum. It is a nice all-round frame. Not super light, not aero, not super stiff, but comfortable to ride, good road feel and stiff enough. I probably have 20,000 miles on it. My biggest gripe is the tight clearance between the chainstays.
The sarto’s advantage is custom geometry. If you are buying stock, any number of nice carbon frames are similar to the Sarto.
As in too tight for 28's?GothicCastle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:01 pmMy biggest gripe is the tight clearance between the chainstays.
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The wheels on my Altum are wide (21 internal), so 25c Conti GP4000s balloon out to ~29mm. I rode quite a few miles like that, but it was too tight for my comfort. I’m back to 23s on that bike. I’m thinking of getting a set of narrower wheels for that frame.
Parlee have released a new iteration of the Altum disc, but I can’t tell if clearance is better. If the new Altum disc had big clearance (like 30mm) I’d seriously consider getting one.
Budget permitting, I would get the custom Sarto. It's an awesome experience to customize your own bike from geometry to color.
21 mm internal? - Hed Belgian Plus or similar I assume. I run 28 mm Vittoria Corsa on 17 mm internal rims with good clearance. They are around 29 mm on those rims. The chainstays are close but not too close. The Altum is specc'd to take 28mm and it does with the appropriate clearance. But I'm with you that there should be a touch more room there for those of us that like to max out on tire size - would have been easy to build into the design.GothicCastle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:19 pmThe wheels on my Altum are wide (21 internal), so 25c Conti GP4000s balloon out to ~29mm. I rode quite a few miles like that, but it was too tight for my comfort. I’m back to 23s on that bike. I’m thinking of getting a set of narrower wheels for that frame.
Parlee have released a new iteration of the Altum disc, but I can’t tell if clearance is better. If the new Altum disc had big clearance (like 30mm) I’d seriously consider getting one.
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.
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Totally agree. Clearance is ok, but not great. Something like an 4.5 AR or Hed Vanquish just wouldn’t fit, but those are at the far end of road rims.Mr.Gib wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:17 am21 mm internal? - Hed Belgian Plus or similar I assume. I run 28 mm Vittoria Corsa on 17 mm internal rims with good clearance. They are around 29 mm on those rims. The chainstays are close but not too close. The Altum is specc'd to take 28mm and it does with the appropriate clearance. But I'm with you that there should be a touch more room there for those of us that like to max out on tire size - would have been easy to build into the design.
I’m thinking about getting a set of Mavic UST wheels for this frame. They are just a bit narrow per and would give a little more room with 25s.
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If your 23’s are on wide rims and measure 29mm, you have a better supported tyre than 28s on narrow rims. That improves turn in. If you put a 25 or 28mm true on a narrow rim and it measures 29mm wide, that’s a downgrade to handling.
From a comfort perspective a 29mm measured tyre will have similar air volume whether it says 23, 25, or 28 on the casing, so you won’t get any more comfort either.
Wider rims handle better. Max our your rim width first, then work out what tyre can fit, not the other way around.
From a comfort perspective a 29mm measured tyre will have similar air volume whether it says 23, 25, or 28 on the casing, so you won’t get any more comfort either.
Wider rims handle better. Max our your rim width first, then work out what tyre can fit, not the other way around.
I love that Sarto Veneto. I think it would be the top of my list for a new frameset. Interestingly, Sarto stock geometry is almost a perfect match for Colnago geometry. Bonus that you can get a Sarto with a BSA threaded bottom bracket.
if you go more apples to apples.. Sarto Custom vs Parlee Z-Zero.. I'll take the Parlee.
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