Thank you and you’re welcome!Wingnut wrote:Really shit's me that there isn't a big fat like button on WW's...
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Thank you and you’re welcome!Wingnut wrote:Really shit's me that there isn't a big fat like button on WW's...
There's a misunderstanding of how cars come to life (or products): a designer comes up with a concept, an engineer makes it real and then someone from accounting comes through and guts it to make it cost effective.ultimobici wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:16 amJust because a company is big and employs engineers doesn’t make it better. Ford are huge and yet they gave us the Pinto. A death trap. Shimano are huge too yet we got Biopace. A degree just tells us you went to school.
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To compare Craddock/Filament with the likes of Sarto etc is disingenuous. Trial & error is how many designs are perfected, even in the age of computer modelling. Practicing with a client’s frame is the issue.RyanH wrote:I should add, this is what building by trial and error can sometimes result in:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... 5#p1418490
I doubt it.RyanH wrote: With that being said, I'd bet that most people would find a Giant TCR (this is probably a bad choice since I don't have first had experience but it has won best bike of the year quite a few years in the row) to ride better (blind folded) than a custom Sarto....
+1 on this. I'm reasonably tall (178cm), but I only weigh 65kg, so any off-the-shelf frame that I buy has to be designed to potentially cope with far heavier riders, and is going to be much stiffer than I want/need. I have five Ti frames (a Kinesis, a Litespeed, two Lynskeys, and a Baum) - by far the nicest to ride is the custom Ti that Darren Baum made for me, as the tubing gauges are lighter than in the OTS frames.
Good example of why having a degree does not lead one to be a good engineer. Alternative is true as well; not having a degree does not mean you cannot be a good engineer.RyanH wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:03 amI should add, this is what building by trial and error can sometimes result in:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... 5#p1418490
Agreed, as mentioned earlier, by the time I was done adding up the prices of all my modifications my build ended up being incredibly close to the same high end models of certain manufacturers (mass market)2old4this wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:36 pmGood example of why having a degree does not lead one to be a good engineer. Alternative is true as well; not having a degree does not mean you cannot be a good engineer.RyanH wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:03 amI should add, this is what building by trial and error can sometimes result in:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... 5#p1418490
In real life, though, having a degree does indeed help (at least with your income... )
I have two reasons why I have three custom frames (a WW one, a titanium one for endurance, and one endurance/gravel with disc).
First, I have unnaturally short legs.
Second, (this will be controversial) I really don’t see myself paying $5000US ++ for a frame that is made in Taiwan/China. Please do not get me wrong, they are absolutely fine frames. But I do not see why I should pay for Brand X’s advertisement fees for a team sponsorship to show up in Tour The France. Their bikes are really not that much better than BrandY’s bikes.
So I figure, if I am going to have something special (after all that’s why we are buying BrandX bikes, right?), I’ll go find myself a custom builder, who would work with me to get something unique, and specially created for me.
Will it be the best quality? I doubt so. As a matter of fact, the treaded BB shell of one of the frames on the drive side just came out after about a year. I had it fixed. As simple as that. No need to fuss about such things as long as your manufacturer treats you right. Just enjoy your bike...
So instead of just asking the builder you’d rather speculate?wheelsONfire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:28 pmAnyone of you guys have even a guess of how they come up to so many?