New Cervélo Tomorrow? (1st Oct launch)

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TiCass
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by TiCass

I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.

Cheaper than the other aero disc ultegra di2

Venge Pro
$8,020.00

Madone SLR 7 Disc
$8,799.99

SYSTEMSIX HI-MOD ULTEGRA DI2
$7,900

Timemachine R01 THREE
$8,499

And it's quite a slick look! $7000

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TiCass
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by TiCass

alfus1 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:12 pm
It's cheaper, but....is faster (or more aero, as you want) than the others?
No idea. We'll wait for the Tour test!

andreas
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by andreas

TiCass wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:02 pm
I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.

Cheaper than the other aero disc ultegra di2

Venge Pro
$8,020.00

Madone SLR 7 Disc
$8,799.99

SYSTEMSIX HI-MOD ULTEGRA DI2
$7,900

And it's quite a slick look! $7000
Canyon Aeroad CF SLX Disc 8.0 Di2
$4,599

TiCass
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by TiCass

andreas wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:26 pm
TiCass wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:02 pm
I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.

Cheaper than the other aero disc ultegra di2

Venge Pro
$8,020.00

Madone SLR 7 Disc
$8,799.99

SYSTEMSIX HI-MOD ULTEGRA DI2
$7,900

And it's quite a slick look! $7000
Canyon Aeroad CF SLX Disc 8.0 Di2
$4,599
Not available here.
Giant Propel is cheaper... but Giant is always cheaper. That's their thing.

spartan
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by spartan

good video there is a real weigh in at the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3v5ALx6Gk
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2018 Madone SLR DISC DI2 9XXX
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spartan
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how aero is it with water bottles installed. i think it will suffer vs madone(tested with bottles)
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2017 Giant TCR Advanced SL 0 DI2 9150

spdntrxi
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7.5kg sans pedels.. pretty average aero bike weight these days
2019 BMC TM01 Road UCI config 7.36kg

NiFTY
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TiCass wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:02 pm
I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.

Cheaper than the other aero disc ultegra di2

Venge Pro
$8,020.00

Madone SLR 7 Disc
$8,799.99

SYSTEMSIX HI-MOD ULTEGRA DI2
$7,900

Timemachine R01 THREE
$8,499

And it's quite a slick look! $7000

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The s3 looks way better and will have a rim brake option. The s5 is just visually unappealing to me due to the riser stem. I think i woukd need to like looking at any bike i bought - which is my issue with discs in general, especially the shimano ice tech ones. Madone, 795 blade, aeroad or s3 would be on shortlist.
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The lack of -17° means it either doesn't fit or you downsize and suffer the change in handling and toe overlap unless you go to a standard stem and bar... Seems pretty crazy to me...
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spdntrxi
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outside of a handful of ppl on this site.. I highly doubt the -17 is a deal breaker.. Come on how many dentists need -17 now really. :noidea:
2019 BMC TM01 Road UCI config 7.36kg

Jugi
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TiCass wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:02 pm
I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.
It will be really interesting to hear what is the aero drag difference between an S3 and an S5.

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spdntrxi wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:20 am
outside of a handful of ppl on this site.. I highly doubt the -17 is a deal breaker.. Come on how many dentists need -17 now really. :noidea:
Many of the Sunweb riders will want it. Anyone who rides Trek H1 would want it. Most aero bikes come with the equivalent of a -10 to -12 degree stem these days.

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Jugi wrote:
TiCass wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:02 pm
I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.
It will be really interesting to hear what is the aero drag difference between an S3 and an S5.
If I remember correctly the previous edition s3 was 4w slower than the S5. They probably are about the same again or maybe even closer.

I prefer the front of the s3 but back of S5. Maybe buy both and cut and attach together?


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cunn1n9 wrote:
Jugi wrote:
TiCass wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:02 pm
I think the real star of the day, for the regular people, is the new S3. Significantly more earo than the previous version and fully integrated cable.
It will be really interesting to hear what is the aero drag difference between an S3 and an S5.
If I remember correctly the previous edition s3 was 4w slower than the S5. They probably are about the same again or maybe even closer.

I prefer the front of the s3 but back of S5. Maybe buy both and cut and attach together?


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Also I bet the s3 is in the same aero ballpark as the venge and system six. But it looks better to me


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It's been a while since I frequented here. I've skipped an entire generation of aero road bikes and was waiting and waiting for the S5 to be offered with disc. The overall execution on picture looks good. You gotta have some weird funky proprietary cockpit and seatpost if you are in the aero game these days.

But... the talk of chunky bits of aluminum for all the cable routing and such is a huge turn off. Huge. This is weight weenies.

I also totally agree the S3 looks great. However I'm curious to know how heavy the bar/stem with integrated routing will be. Will it be ~100g stem and a 199g handlebar? I'm doubtful.

The s5 disc looks great, but I think it needs a s5 disc revision 2.0. Remember back in the day in 2009 when the S3 first came out and Cervelo was too overly ambitious with their rear seat stays and certain wheels' spokes rubbed on the seat stay? That was a huge miss.

Or how about back in 2005/2006 (I forget now) when the R2.5 came out and the frame started debonded and they warrantied pretty much every single one and gave everyone new a new R3?

It seems the only one that they nailed perfect off the get go was the original Soloist Carbon. What a great bike that was.

Will need to see some detailed component breakdowns on both bikes and hopefully some gets access to the service manual PDF so we can all understand how the S3 and S5D is assembled.

For the time being, I'm still sticking to what I've got.

Long live my 14lbs - 2008 R3SL and my 12.2 lbs - 2009 SLC-SL
68mm BB reliability
No tire clearance issues
but rim brakes...

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