Campagnolo direct mount brake callipers?

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wilwil
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by wilwil

Are the front and back calipers identical, so you just buy two direct mount calipers?
Is the Chorus version the generic caliper with the record and super record being branded as such?
What is the difference between the generic and the R and SR versions?
Are they all coming as non skeleton now? I see some skeleton Record versions for sale but they are very expensive, are they old stock?
I have post 2015 11 speed SR groupset although may change to 12 speed.

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by r4nd0mv4r14bl3

I might be talking nonsense here but AFAIK, the non-branded are 2019 version. They should be available in two tiers. The SR/R version has a cutout in the lever arm as in the pic below, while the Potenza/Chorus does not. The SR/R version has labels on the bodies, marking front and rear, I guess they are not identical.

DM brakes labelled as R or SR should be 2016/17 version.

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MayhemSWE
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by MayhemSWE

Judging by the Campagnolo website, there are only two direct mount brakes and neither are branded with a specific group name. While one of the two has Record in its URL and matches the design of the new 12 speed groups it is not mentioned anywhere in the specs nor printed on the decals.

https://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Compon ... ount_brake
https://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Compon ... ount_brake

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by pdlpsher1

I can't speak for Campy but I can say something about the Shimano DM brakes. On the 9000 series the F and R brakes are different, with different length fixing bolts, spacers, and also brake pad holders. On the 9100 series Shimano made the F and R brakes identical except the brake pad holders. The reason for different brake pad holders is because the DM brakes mount very close to the fork/frame and the pad holders have different dimensions so that the brakes can be opened up for for easy wheel removal. Usually framesets with DM brakes have special recesses for brake pad clerance. In the Colnago pic. above I don't see it but perhaps it's there. Without the recess and special brake pad holder it would be difficult to remove a wheel espcially one with wide tires.

Here are the Shimano part diagrams showing the differences between the brake pad holders.

http://si.shimano.com/pdfs/ev/EV-BR-R9110-F-4070.pdf

http://si.shimano.com/pdfs/ev/EV-BR-R9110-RS-4071.pdf

mag
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by mag

I've got those on the pic above and yes, they're different front and rear, but the previous gen ones are also different (front and rear).
There are actually 3 ranges of these brakes, but only the 2nd and 3rd are being currently manufactured and marketed:

1. (Old) RECORD (R/SR) (BR16-REDMF, BR16-REDMRSS, BR16-REDMRBB), skeleton ~158g https://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/CampyW ... unt_brakes
2. DIRECT (Chorus and below) (BR17-DIDMF, BR17-DIDMRSS) ~ 176g https://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Compon ... ount_brake
3. (New) CAMPAGNOLO (R/SR) (BR19-DMF, BR19-DMRSS), these replace the old RECORD ones ~168g https://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Compon ... ount_brake

wilwil
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by wilwil

There is no reference to front and back for either version Direct (non cut out version) or Campagnolo (cut out version)

mag
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by mag

Product codes ending with:
- F are for front brakes
- RSS are for rear brakes (seat stay mounted models)
- RBB are for those less common rear brakes mounted under the bottom bracket

wilwil
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by wilwil

Is this the price of one or a pair? I'll call them tomorrow. I think the 'Rear seat stay' in the name differentiates them from the BB version.
https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Campag ... -Stay/IU94. The complete Record groupset from Wiggle is not available with DM brakes. Madness!

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wilwil wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:01 pm
Is this the price of one or a pair? I'll call them tomorrow. I think the 'Rear seat stay' in the name differentiates them from the BB version.
https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Campag ... -Stay/IU94. The complete Record groupset from Wiggle is not available with DM brakes. Madness!
This is just for single brake. Some shops only sell complete groupsets with regular calipers. I've noticed bike-palast.com let's you choose which brakes you want to go with, there will be extra charge for DM brakes, however.

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Calnago
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by Calnago

In the pic above on the Colnago, there is the word “REAR” printed directly on the right arm that bolts to the frame.
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It's a black sticker.

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Calnago
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by Calnago

True, it’s a sticker, but if they were identical, doesn’t seem any “rear” stickers would be necessary. I haven’t installed any myself yet. Had some on order when 12sp came out but unless I was buying a complete 12sp Group, it didn’t sound like I was going to be getting just the brakes anytime soon.
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wilwil
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by wilwil

Calnago wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:01 pm
True, it’s a sticker, but if they were identical, doesn’t seem any “rear” stickers would be necessary. I haven’t installed any myself yet. Had some on order when 12sp came out but unless I was buying a complete 12sp Group, it didn’t sound like I was going to be getting just the brakes anytime soon.
I have a replacement C64 frame on the way and a box full of 2016 SR. So I need the callipers.

wilwil
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by wilwil

I can see in the 2018 brochure PDF that the Record skeleton DMs look quite different front and back.

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by robertbb

wilwil wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:59 am
Calnago wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:01 pm
True, it’s a sticker, but if they were identical, doesn’t seem any “rear” stickers would be necessary. I haven’t installed any myself yet. Had some on order when 12sp came out but unless I was buying a complete 12sp Group, it didn’t sound like I was going to be getting just the brakes anytime soon.
I have a replacement C64 frame on the way and a box full of 2016 SR. So I need the callipers.
I have front and rear 2016 R/SR direct mount brakes. New in box, never mounted. Bought to use on a C64 build myself, but am going in a different direction (steel). PM me if interested.
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