Which frame: Supersix Evo or Helium SL

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stephdexter
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by stephdexter

I found this two frameset that is most affordable, but cant make final decision yet for my new build.
I cant test ride both frame,
The goal is to build weenie fast responsive bike.
Also the frame will be strip off to expose the carbon weave.

Any particular reason to go with one or the other?

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coriordan
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by coriordan

Helium SL is an open mould design I think. FM-066SL

SS Evo has been around for many years so you can get an older one which performs just as well so could be cheaper.

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wheelsONfire
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by wheelsONfire

Why not Helium SLX?
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robertbb
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by robertbb

The Helium SL is a FM-066SL????? Really?
It's ALL about the bike.

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coriordan
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by coriordan

Could be massively wrong but I think so.

Same as Merlin Nitro SL, available in the UK. FM 066 may be wrong though

KotP
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by KotP

coriordan wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:15 am
Helium SL is an open mould design I think. FM-066SL
I don't think that's true.

Gear cable routing entry and exit, externally routed brake cable, fork etc.

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stephdexter
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by stephdexter

coriordan wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:15 am
Helium SL iSS Evo has been around for many years so you can get an older one which performs just as well so could be cheaper.
Would love to get this older frame idea, but its not possible here.
I dont mind to pay for shipment if anyone can help me to get the size 54

KotP
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by KotP

But the Helium SL does look remarkably close to the Merlin Nitro SL, so maybe it is open mould just not FM-066SL?

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themidge
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by themidge

I read a review of the Merlin once that said that Ridley make their high end frames for them, so perhaps not open mould.

Re: SS evo vs Helium SL, they're both light, stiff, and handle well by most accounts, so get the one which fits best and/or looks best to you :D.

reedplayer
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by reedplayer

coriordan wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:15 am
Helium SL is an open mould design I think. FM-066SL
one short view on the geometry chart shows, that this is not the case. :wink:

i owned a ridley helium in"xs" (non sl) and a super six evo hm in "52" and had to decide between both.
i kept the helium, in first way for aesthetical reasons (found the cd a little bit boring after a while..)

handling is quite similar. geometry is little more-aggressive on the evo (but nothing, that could not be adapted).
ridley has this significant sloping geometry, which allows the seatpost more flex/comfort (if you attach importance to that).
workmanship good on both frames

so, both good frames, the distinctions in geometry and aesthetics make the difference (just noticed, "themidge" already said it!)

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Klaster_1
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by Klaster_1

KotP wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:26 am
I don't think that's true.

Gear cable routing entry and exit, externally routed brake cable, fork etc.
Open-mold based frames might have a set of changes compared to the base model, I saw several vendors openly admit that, like there's an expensive Dengfu M06 (older version of Zerouno MAG, same with other products in their lineup) with different grade carbon/layup or Thesis OB based on Carbonda CFR505. Port location tweaking doesn't look like much of a change after that.

coriordan
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by coriordan

Apologies that model number is clearly nonsense but it is open mould.

reedplayer
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by reedplayer

no! its neither open mould nor any fm-xxx-frame.

where does this "open-mould"-idea with regard to ridley come from?

the actual ridley helium sl was brought to market in 2013, and its a development of ridley/belgium. the fact that merlin labels helium sl-framesets (ot merlin-bikes: "The Merlin Nitro SL is our superlight race bike weighing a helium light 7.58kg...") does not mean, that it is open mould!

planet-x (among others) labeled sarto asola framesets years ago, so sarto is open mould?
so please stop this "open-mould"-nonsense.

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coriordan
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by coriordan

Apologies I has thought that it was when I was reading about the Merlin bike a while ago. Clearly got my wires crossed.

What year SSEvo?

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