Trek Madone 2019????

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diegogarcia
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by diegogarcia

Here's the thing. Spent most of this year on the current R5 - great bike. Fast when required, comfy and a great climbing bike within the realms of my climbing capability. I had an aero itch to scratch so went for the S5 and as two bikes go they are chalk and cheese. BUT at nominal speeds there is nothing in it. When the road lites up, the S5 seems to have a 6th gear that the R5 does not. |t just starts to fly and used it last weekend to chase down a few guys riding ahead of me a the top end of a short but sharp cat 3 climb. Caught them no problem and got a PB - see screen 1. The turn of speed is great and north of 25 mph it motors. But I would always advise that at regular 'just riding along' speeds there is not a lot in it. I decided to go aero as I do point to point riding, a bit like solo TT riding full gas on roads that curry favour. And in no way pro bro, just a 47 year old guy who like others enjoys his sport. On screen 2 - 8.38 miles on a rolling decent into side winds last Friday got me another PB on a road 140 miles north of where I live, but the kind of terrain an aero bike laps up. The only caveat I can level at the S5 is it is absurdly stiff, but very very efficient. PM data from screen shot 2 is 131 watts average power. More speed, less work.

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Roadrocket
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by Roadrocket

Thanks for input, I can see it will be tough decision between SLR and S5.
My problem with S5 is sizing, I am between 54 and 56. I am 6ft with 33.5´´ inseam.
I like SLR much more and no problems with Madone size choosing, but it is almost twice the price of S5.

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izza
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by izza

Re H1/H1.5/H2 - the new stems provide two options. I have the low (15 deg) stem which replicates position of H1. If you want H2 just use other stem and leave some washers in.

I have found I could go more aggressive than I originally thought due somewhat to the soft setting dampening and the isospeed being so effective in cutting out vibrations from my lower back.

I am 6’ 2” with an 88cm / 34.5 in inseam. I use the 20mm set back post, a 130mm stem on. 58cm frame. . Sounds to me like you could get a 56cm frame and go for a similar length stem.


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Roadrocket
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by Roadrocket

izza: If I understand it right, you could set low and high setting with just one stem or you need two?
I like aggresive body postion, so it is not a problem to set the bike to H1 like position.

If I choose SLR, I will get 56 size for sure, there is no dilemma like in Cervelo S5 case.

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by ryanw

There is no dilemma, you're a 56 in the S5.
'16 Cervelo S5 - 6650g
'17 Focus Mares Force 1 - 7,800g

Roadrocket
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by Roadrocket

Even with my short legs and 74,5cm saddle height?

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wheelsONfire
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by wheelsONfire

The difference between new S5 and Madone 1.5 is 1mm in reach and 2mm in stack (both size 56).
(Madone R:391/S:563, S5 R:392/S:565)
So talking (only) frame measurements, there is no problems.
However, Madone have some restrictions when it comes to saddle height.
Talking S5, it seems the new stem could be an issue if it's not available in a lower version.
Well worth checking both before any purchase.

EDIT: Base position for the S5 stem
and handlebar matches that of the
previous edition S5 with a 6˚ stem
and a 5mm top cap.
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by ryanw

765mm in this pic, size 56:

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'16 Cervelo S5 - 6650g
'17 Focus Mares Force 1 - 7,800g

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wheelsONfire
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by wheelsONfire

What's the saddle to bar drop on your bike?
Is this Enves new stem?
What stem angle is this?
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by ryanw

wheelsONfire wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:53 am
What's the saddle to bar drop on your bike?
Is this Enves new stem?
What stem angle is this?
Can't remeber and bike now dismantled.
Yes, new aero road stem, 120mm.
-12 degrees
'16 Cervelo S5 - 6650g
'17 Focus Mares Force 1 - 7,800g

Roadrocket
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by Roadrocket

According to picture, 56 should be fine, even with 2cm lower saddle. Seems like 54 would have absurdly big drop.
About stem, if I buy S5, I´d like to change it anyway for something aero integrated(with place to hide Di2 unit too).

Guys, is it possible to fit, say Metron 5D bars with its spacers to S5?

rynaw: Don´t you remember seat tube c-t lenght?

izza
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by izza

You could change fitting on the Madone with two stems but not simple as cables are threaded through centre of stem.


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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Roadrocket wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:50 am
Even with my short legs and 74,5cm saddle height?

Short legs generally means longer torso (but not always.) That also generally means you should choose larger frames with longer reach values.

Andres
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by Andres

Roadrocket wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:50 am
Even with my short legs and 74,5cm saddle height?
Especially with short legs, at 6' if that's your saddle height, that means your torso is massive, which means you likely need the length of the 56.

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