C64 vs Speedvagen

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
chunky666
Posts: 119
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:01 pm

by chunky666

Noctiluxx wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:04 pm
kgibbo1868 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 am
Image
Can it get any better????


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes, something with history and heritage like Colnago. :D
Forget the history, how about something other than another boring black bike! Would it kill manufacturers to actually come up with decent bike designs! :roll:

by Weenie


wintershade
Posts: 101
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:12 pm

by wintershade

Baum offers both Ti and Steel. Money not being a deciding factor, is there any reason to opt for their steel builds (notably the Restretto, which they seem to bill as more reactive/stiff), or shoudl I just spring for the top-of-the-line Corretto (fully butted Ti) or perhaps Orbis (for disk brakes)?

Still on the fence between SV vs Baum vs Colnago though, TBH, but leaning to custom.

shimmeD
Posts: 440
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:52 pm
Location: eNZed

by shimmeD

For a dream bike trending to n=1, I'd go Orbis. Your circumstances could change (mine did even though I swore that I never wanted to get dirty again) and you might want to dabble in a bit of gravel. The Orbis will keep your options open. If you optimize it for 700Cx25 for the road, swapping to wheels with 650Bx45 will give you the same (approx) diameter, hence arguably same handling. This is my version of n=1 anyway.
Less is more.

wintershade
Posts: 101
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:12 pm

by wintershade

Yeah -- that's kind of where my head is trending... a swiss army knife bike to keep forever and the most used tool in the quiver. I'll probably never have just one bike though. I think my stable will ultimely settle down to 3-4 bikes: a tri bike, an "all around" road bike, a "beater/rain" road bike, and something of a specialist bike (ultralight road, cross, mountain, etc.).

User avatar
Powerful Pete
Moderator
Posts: 4069
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:22 am
Location: Lima, Peru and the Washington DC area - it's complicated.
Contact:

by Powerful Pete

Well if you go custom there are literally hundreds of high quality builders for you to consider, both stateside and internationally. And most will build your frame in whatever material you prefer, so even that's not a limitation!
Road bike: Cervelo R3, Campagnolo Chorus/Record mix...
Supercommuter: Jamis Renegade...pastatrails.blogspot.com
And you can call me Macktastik Honey Pete Kicks, thank you.

markdjr
Posts: 46
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:21 pm

by markdjr

What about English Cycles?

wintershade
Posts: 101
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:12 pm

by wintershade

While I appreciate there are many great custom builders, I’ve narrowed my search to Baum, Speedvagen, or Colnago. Those are my favorites — and in some respects it comes down to frame material and bike type (rim road vs more rugged disc) etc

LionelB
Posts: 1523
Joined: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:09 pm
Location: Aix en Provence

by LionelB

apples and oranges. A Ti bike, a steel bike a carbon bike. Baum is an overpriced and overly "precious" Ti bike, Speedvagen is sort of the steel equivalent of the Baum. So out of these 3 I would pick a C64 which you cannot really go wrong with.

wintershade
Posts: 101
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:12 pm

by wintershade

Yes, apples and oranges. But how to choose which fruit?! In terms of "overpriced" -- value is one of those tricky things to define as it really comes down to one's budget and how much someone is willing to pay for intangibles like branding, exclusivity, etc... While I love a good deal as much as anyone (hence my Canyon Ultimate, which I think is an incredible value), I'm fortunate enough for that to be of no concern for this bike.

morrisond
Posts: 780
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:34 pm

by morrisond

I have never had a Baum (but tried 2x to get one and have examined a few completed frames) - but I did have a Speedvagen.

If you are looking for the best Built it would definitely be Baum over Speedvagen. Speedvagen's welding is very industrial for the price and the paint while good from far is far from good. I spent a lot for an Overt Scheme and a lot of lines didn't line up and if you just looked at it wrong it would chip.

I think what really annoyed me though was the irremovable Locktight they used on the BSA bottom bracket. I literrally had to use a hammer to get the Dura Ace BB out when I was switching it over to Campy.

That being they are great to work with - the build experience was very pleasant.

I tried to do a Baum twice but got so frustrated both times (very long times to get back to me and there Paint rules were so strict I couldn't get the scheme I wanted - only to see them relax the rules for others months later).

Personally if you are looking for Quality - go Baum over Speedvagen - and an Orbis is a very versatile bike. You might as well do that so you get Clearance for 32/34mm in the back as the front (ENVE RD Disc Fork) can clear up to a 34 mm anyways.

If you want to save some cash a Painted Mosaic is just as high Quality and I would suggest Mosaic's Painter (Spectrum) is better than Baum from a Durability standpoint.

To me the ultimate would be a Baum painted by Velocolour if you want the longest lasting finish - while possible with Mosiac - I don't know if Baum would sell you just a raw frame.

If you go Speedvagen I would stick with there Solid Color Schemes - you may be disappointed if you pay up for anything else.

In regards to Ti vs. Steel - if you are a big guy or Strong - I would suggest Steel - it's stiffer and about the same weight as a Ti bike that approaches Steel's stiffness.

Just my 2c.

flying
Posts: 1525
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:16 am

by flying

kgibbo1868 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 am
Can it get any better????
Speechless :beerchug:

kgibbo1868
Posts: 143
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:36 pm

by kgibbo1868

chunky666 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:19 pm
Noctiluxx wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:04 pm
kgibbo1868 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 am
Image
Can it get any better????


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes, something with history and heritage like Colnago. :D

Forget the history, how about something other than another boring black bike! Would it kill manufacturers to actually come up with decent bike designs! :roll:
Heritage is nice, I agree! There are MANY bikes with a long and distinguished heritage; if I wanted to purchase something to hang on the wall this would be important to me, but it is not necessarily the most important factor to consider if you want the best "forever" bike. Carbon Fibre would not be on my list of a "forever" bike, a well-made Steel or Ti bike for a builder who knows what they are doing is my version of perfect, but at the end of the day everyone needs to decide for themselves what factors are the most important.

Custom means you can choose your paint, just because I posted a pic of a black bike certainly does not mean that is all they produce. I spent an afternoon in the Baum factory, the craftmenship, welding, attention to detail, and paint quality is top shelf!
Pain is my friend!

Seedster
Posts: 401
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:05 pm

by Seedster

For the price Baum is asking, I would just get a Passoni. They play in that luxury bike space.

Of the three options listed, I would get the C64 with custom geometry (custom paint is not offered at this time).

Another bike to consider would be the newly released Stelbel T9 titanium frame. You’ll get a beautiful bike and the option to deck it out in a fork that’s not from enve. Made in Italy


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

kgibbo1868
Posts: 143
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:36 pm

by kgibbo1868

Any updates?
Pain is my friend!

fordred
Posts: 86
Joined: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:22 pm

by fordred

Can I throw Firefly to the mix? I'm surprised it's not mentioned at all.

by Weenie


Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post