Forget the history, how about something other than another boring black bike! Would it kill manufacturers to actually come up with decent bike designs!Noctiluxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:04 pmYes, something with history and heritage like Colnago.kgibbo1868 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 am
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Baum offers both Ti and Steel. Money not being a deciding factor, is there any reason to opt for their steel builds (notably the Restretto, which they seem to bill as more reactive/stiff), or shoudl I just spring for the top-of-the-line Corretto (fully butted Ti) or perhaps Orbis (for disk brakes)?
Still on the fence between SV vs Baum vs Colnago though, TBH, but leaning to custom.
Still on the fence between SV vs Baum vs Colnago though, TBH, but leaning to custom.
For a dream bike trending to n=1, I'd go Orbis. Your circumstances could change (mine did even though I swore that I never wanted to get dirty again) and you might want to dabble in a bit of gravel. The Orbis will keep your options open. If you optimize it for 700Cx25 for the road, swapping to wheels with 650Bx45 will give you the same (approx) diameter, hence arguably same handling. This is my version of n=1 anyway.
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Yeah -- that's kind of where my head is trending... a swiss army knife bike to keep forever and the most used tool in the quiver. I'll probably never have just one bike though. I think my stable will ultimely settle down to 3-4 bikes: a tri bike, an "all around" road bike, a "beater/rain" road bike, and something of a specialist bike (ultralight road, cross, mountain, etc.).
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Well if you go custom there are literally hundreds of high quality builders for you to consider, both stateside and internationally. And most will build your frame in whatever material you prefer, so even that's not a limitation!
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While I appreciate there are many great custom builders, I’ve narrowed my search to Baum, Speedvagen, or Colnago. Those are my favorites — and in some respects it comes down to frame material and bike type (rim road vs more rugged disc) etc
apples and oranges. A Ti bike, a steel bike a carbon bike. Baum is an overpriced and overly "precious" Ti bike, Speedvagen is sort of the steel equivalent of the Baum. So out of these 3 I would pick a C64 which you cannot really go wrong with.
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Yes, apples and oranges. But how to choose which fruit?! In terms of "overpriced" -- value is one of those tricky things to define as it really comes down to one's budget and how much someone is willing to pay for intangibles like branding, exclusivity, etc... While I love a good deal as much as anyone (hence my Canyon Ultimate, which I think is an incredible value), I'm fortunate enough for that to be of no concern for this bike.
I have never had a Baum (but tried 2x to get one and have examined a few completed frames) - but I did have a Speedvagen.
If you are looking for the best Built it would definitely be Baum over Speedvagen. Speedvagen's welding is very industrial for the price and the paint while good from far is far from good. I spent a lot for an Overt Scheme and a lot of lines didn't line up and if you just looked at it wrong it would chip.
I think what really annoyed me though was the irremovable Locktight they used on the BSA bottom bracket. I literrally had to use a hammer to get the Dura Ace BB out when I was switching it over to Campy.
That being they are great to work with - the build experience was very pleasant.
I tried to do a Baum twice but got so frustrated both times (very long times to get back to me and there Paint rules were so strict I couldn't get the scheme I wanted - only to see them relax the rules for others months later).
Personally if you are looking for Quality - go Baum over Speedvagen - and an Orbis is a very versatile bike. You might as well do that so you get Clearance for 32/34mm in the back as the front (ENVE RD Disc Fork) can clear up to a 34 mm anyways.
If you want to save some cash a Painted Mosaic is just as high Quality and I would suggest Mosaic's Painter (Spectrum) is better than Baum from a Durability standpoint.
To me the ultimate would be a Baum painted by Velocolour if you want the longest lasting finish - while possible with Mosiac - I don't know if Baum would sell you just a raw frame.
If you go Speedvagen I would stick with there Solid Color Schemes - you may be disappointed if you pay up for anything else.
In regards to Ti vs. Steel - if you are a big guy or Strong - I would suggest Steel - it's stiffer and about the same weight as a Ti bike that approaches Steel's stiffness.
Just my 2c.
If you are looking for the best Built it would definitely be Baum over Speedvagen. Speedvagen's welding is very industrial for the price and the paint while good from far is far from good. I spent a lot for an Overt Scheme and a lot of lines didn't line up and if you just looked at it wrong it would chip.
I think what really annoyed me though was the irremovable Locktight they used on the BSA bottom bracket. I literrally had to use a hammer to get the Dura Ace BB out when I was switching it over to Campy.
That being they are great to work with - the build experience was very pleasant.
I tried to do a Baum twice but got so frustrated both times (very long times to get back to me and there Paint rules were so strict I couldn't get the scheme I wanted - only to see them relax the rules for others months later).
Personally if you are looking for Quality - go Baum over Speedvagen - and an Orbis is a very versatile bike. You might as well do that so you get Clearance for 32/34mm in the back as the front (ENVE RD Disc Fork) can clear up to a 34 mm anyways.
If you want to save some cash a Painted Mosaic is just as high Quality and I would suggest Mosaic's Painter (Spectrum) is better than Baum from a Durability standpoint.
To me the ultimate would be a Baum painted by Velocolour if you want the longest lasting finish - while possible with Mosiac - I don't know if Baum would sell you just a raw frame.
If you go Speedvagen I would stick with there Solid Color Schemes - you may be disappointed if you pay up for anything else.
In regards to Ti vs. Steel - if you are a big guy or Strong - I would suggest Steel - it's stiffer and about the same weight as a Ti bike that approaches Steel's stiffness.
Just my 2c.
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Heritage is nice, I agree! There are MANY bikes with a long and distinguished heritage; if I wanted to purchase something to hang on the wall this would be important to me, but it is not necessarily the most important factor to consider if you want the best "forever" bike. Carbon Fibre would not be on my list of a "forever" bike, a well-made Steel or Ti bike for a builder who knows what they are doing is my version of perfect, but at the end of the day everyone needs to decide for themselves what factors are the most important.chunky666 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:19 pmNoctiluxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:04 pmYes, something with history and heritage like Colnago.kgibbo1868 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 am
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Forget the history, how about something other than another boring black bike! Would it kill manufacturers to actually come up with decent bike designs!
Custom means you can choose your paint, just because I posted a pic of a black bike certainly does not mean that is all they produce. I spent an afternoon in the Baum factory, the craftmenship, welding, attention to detail, and paint quality is top shelf!
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For the price Baum is asking, I would just get a Passoni. They play in that luxury bike space.
Of the three options listed, I would get the C64 with custom geometry (custom paint is not offered at this time).
Another bike to consider would be the newly released Stelbel T9 titanium frame. You’ll get a beautiful bike and the option to deck it out in a fork that’s not from enve. Made in Italy
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Of the three options listed, I would get the C64 with custom geometry (custom paint is not offered at this time).
Another bike to consider would be the newly released Stelbel T9 titanium frame. You’ll get a beautiful bike and the option to deck it out in a fork that’s not from enve. Made in Italy
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