2019 bike roll out jam

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
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FIJIGabe
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by FIJIGabe

Great looking build, and the same size I ride. What’s the finished weight?


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Madone 9 https://goo.gl/7UwZpV
Crockett https://goo.gl/f5PdCN
Madone 5 https://goo.gl/cMdyFo

Madone 4, Cobia. I own a lot of Treks.

jeepntrek
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by jeepntrek

congrats on the purple flip, bike twin!! damn i gotta get a better camera!

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robertbb
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by robertbb

Excellent frame weight considering the size and paint, but that fork is heavy. Wonder if the rim brake one is just as bad?

My Ultimate AL SLX fork came in at 317g.

If anyone from Trek is reading: please release a clear polished ALR frameset with the SLR level fork :D
It's ALL about the bike.

RobertBB's CyclePlanner Spreadsheet:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... 8&t=152263

Stitchking
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by Stitchking

spdntrxi wrote:any other high end aero bikes besides the Venge that can handle 30c+ tires. BMC is only 28c and although that is probably ok, just means I likely wont be getting those Enve 4.5AR for double duty on road/gravel. Slighly bummed.
Madone and systemsix both clear 30 on paper. Pretty sure the foil disc does too although I may be wrong on that one


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Karvalo
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by Karvalo

I'd be careful talking about 'c'. Did Specialized actually say the Venge could take 30c tyres or did they say 30mm?

I've physically put a set of Enve 4.5ARs with 28c Pro Ones into a SystemSix and they were for sure measuring over 30mm and had plenty of rideable clearance... but I doubt that a 30c set of tyres on those wheels would have been ok, and I'd be amazed if it was ok in a Venge.

parajba
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by parajba

I have a 2010 S2 and grew up thinking Cervelo were cutting edge. I think things have moved on and other brands have done similar (or dare to say this!) even better bikes. My next bike has to have discs and eTap. I am not in a rush but I can buy a bike now if I find one I like.

I really like the new 2019 Venge.

How does the new 2019 Venge compare vs the S5 from a handling perspective? (Leaving discs aside). And from a drag/aero perspective? I know I should not believe all the marketing hype (from both companies, Cervelo and Specialised), but which one ‘rides’ better? I know it’s all dependant on fit etc but assuming everything else equal (wheels etc) and that I will do a bike fit before buying I am interested to understand which bike handles and cut through the wind better.

Use: amateur racing and chain gangs.

(I have shortlisted these 3 bikes: S Works Venge 2019 disc, Cervelo S5 and Canyon Aeroad disc).

From a pure aesthetic point of view I like the new Venge and Aeroad more (never been a big fan of the S5 unfortunately), but from a brand perspective I like Cervelo a lot more because of their industrial and engineering approach.

Karvalo
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by Karvalo

If you want the best performance for money, get the outgoing S5 because whatever’s left is going for a steal.

If you want the best performance, wait a month for the new S5 unveiling and make you decision by comparing that against the Venge and BMC.

OliverRB
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by OliverRB

FIJIGabe wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:06 am
Great looking build, and the same size I ride. What’s the finished weight?


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Ends up at 7.7kg, wheelset weight is 1520g if that helps make sense over everything!

parajba
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by parajba

Karvalo wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:03 am
If you want the best performance for money, get the outgoing S5 because whatever’s left is going for a steal.

If you want the best performance, wait a month for the new S5 unveiling and make you decision by comparing that against the Venge and BMC.
Thanks for the reply. Is the new S5 expected to be announced in Sep? I can wait all winter, or even longer for that matter. My S2 with 303 FC and the old Sram Red is still going strong, but I decided that I would like to buy a new bike this winter (It would be nice to have the new bike ready for riding from March onwards when the weather changes).

I can find an S5 with eTap and Enve 3.4 for £5.8k brand new (which is incredibly good value!) but I want discs on my next bike. I don’t ride in the mountains but discs are the way forward (rain or shine, greater modulation).

AndreLM
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by AndreLM

Is there a new rim S5 planned as well?

sethjs
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by sethjs

parajba wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:44 am
How does the new 2019 Venge compare vs the S5 from a handling perspective? (Leaving discs aside). And from a drag/aero perspective? I know I should not believe all the marketing hype (from both companies, Cervelo and Specialised), but which one ‘rides’ better? I know it’s all dependant on fit etc but assuming everything else equal (wheels etc) and that I will do a bike fit before buying I am interested to understand which bike handles and cut through the wind better.
I've now taken the new Madone 6 and the new Venge Pro (apparently SWorks frame w/Ultegra and CL50 wheels) out for a spin. Both rides were ~30 miles with about 2500 feet of climbing on reasonably crap CA roads.

My quick net is that both bikes are absolutely amazing. The bikes I'm comparing to are a Baum Corretto, Cervelo RCA 2014 and a Bianchi Infinito.

Comfort: I rode the Trek first and assumed it was the IsoSpeed. And it is *good*. Interestingly, though there's no IsoSpeed on the front, both front and rear were plenty comfortable. But then I rode the Venge, which I expected to be *much* harsher. But it wasn't. My guess is it's a combination of the wide tires (26c on 21mm wide internal) and improved carbon engineering. Slight nod to the Madone, but not by nearly as much as you'd think. They're almost as comfortable as the Bianchi and Baum, much more so than the RCA.

Handling: Both felt great. The RCA always felt too twitchy to me. I love the Corretto's handling, and the Bianchi is right up there, too, for me. I'd say the Madone had a slightly more "stable" feel to it than the Venge. Or, put another way, the Venge felt slightly more racy. This is a personal prefernce thing - to each his/her own.

Brake rub: I should mention on the Venge I was able to produce slight brake rub from the front caliper. I didn't notice this on the Madone. My guess is it's just new pads, but the Madone was new, too. That said, I took the Venge up 18%+ grades, the Madone only saw up to about 12%.

Weight: I can't tell - see the specs :)

Performance: I'm certain that I can't "feel" speed. The one thing I will say is I thought I was fighting more of a headwind with the Venge because the wind "sounded" loud. Looking at the numbers afterward, not the case. I actually was moving faster. The bike had no power meter and I wasn't redlining myself, but I set multiple PRs on segments I ride frequently. I took the Madone on a route I ride less often, but also PRd a bunch of segments. Net: I suspect they both actually do help you cheat the wind vs my other bikes given the number of PRs, and I suspect they're about equal to each other. Just look at the wind tunnel data, it's directionally real.

Which am I getting? Decided on the Venge. I like the paint options on the Madone much more. But I was blown away that the Venge could be as comfortable as it was without introducing any mechanical complexity. I also like that, after paint, realistically the Venge will be ~1.5 lbs lighter. Also nice that it comes with power meter included in the price.

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by FIJIGabe

OliverRB wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:03 pm
FIJIGabe wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:06 am
Great looking build, and the same size I ride. What’s the finished weight?


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Ends up at 7.7kg, wheelset weight is 1520g if that helps make sense over everything!
Just to put how good this build is: my current Madone 9 (60cm H2) is 7.6kg. My Madone 5 is sitting at about the same weight, albeit with more common parts (Ultegra 6800 w/ a GS RD, but with RXL wheels). 7.7kg from an aluminum disc frame, in that size, is mighty impressive!
Madone 9 https://goo.gl/7UwZpV
Crockett https://goo.gl/f5PdCN
Madone 5 https://goo.gl/cMdyFo

Madone 4, Cobia. I own a lot of Treks.

Karvalo
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by Karvalo

AndreLM wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:33 pm
Is there a new rim S5 planned as well?
Only disc. A new S3 will have rim and disc options.

AndreLM
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by AndreLM

Thanks!

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BagelMaster
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by BagelMaster

Karvalo wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:07 am
I'd be careful talking about 'c'. Did Specialized actually say the Venge could take 30c tyres or did they say 30mm?

I've physically put a set of Enve 4.5ARs with 28c Pro Ones into a SystemSix and they were for sure measuring over 30mm and had plenty of rideable clearance... but I doubt that a 30c set of tyres on those wheels would have been ok, and I'd be amazed if it was ok in a Venge.
The manager of my local Specialized dealer said the new disct Venge should be able to handle up to 32mm measured, which was one of the reasons why he sold his Venge and bought the current one. I'd imagine 32mm measure will be really tight, most likely height will be the limiting factor against the seat tube.

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