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DamonRinard
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by DamonRinard on Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:06 pm
Shrike wrote: ↑Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:56 am
Interesting that the Venge, Cannondale and BMC bikes aren't fatter looking, compared to say the new Orbea Orca Aero. Thought the relaxed UCI rules would have let them get away with slightly fatter bikes this time round, but designers are playing it conservatively there. Saying that, the new Madone might be a bit fatter.
Hi Shrike, the only UCI rule they relaxed was 3:1. The 8cm rule still applies, so main frame tubes are still limited.
In practice, the only parts with more freedom now are fork blades and stays.
Several times now we've measured no decrease in drag when elongating those sections beyond 3:1, but maybe we'll find the magic there one day. But then the tubes get heavier and less comfortable...
Cheers,
Damon
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager, Road Bikes
Cycling Sports Group, Cannondale
Ex-Kestrel, ex-Velomax, ex-Trek, ex-Cervelo
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spdntrxi
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by spdntrxi on Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:11 pm
mrlobber wrote:... except BMC probably is going to rival Specialized with the highest price of them all. Even some of my Swiss friends say BMC is overpriced
Frame only generally is redonk too.. might as well buy whole bike. I can get bro deals BMC .. but damn
2024 BMC TeamMachine R
2018 BMC TImeMachine Road
2002 Moots Compact-SL
2019 Parlee Z0XD - "classified"
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Shrike
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by Shrike on Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:09 pm
DamonRinard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:06 pm
Shrike wrote: ↑Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:56 am
Interesting that the Venge, Cannondale and BMC bikes aren't fatter looking, compared to say the new Orbea Orca Aero. Thought the relaxed UCI rules would have let them get away with slightly fatter bikes this time round, but designers are playing it conservatively there. Saying that, the new Madone might be a bit fatter.
Hi Shrike, the only UCI rule they relaxed was 3:1. The 8cm rule still applies, so main frame tubes are still limited.
In practice, the only parts with more freedom now are fork blades and stays.
Several times now we've measured no decrease in drag when elongating those sections beyond 3:1, but maybe we'll find the magic there one day. But then the tubes get heavier and less comfortable...
Cheers,
Damon
That explains it, brill thanks Damon!
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Noctiluxx
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by Noctiluxx on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:55 am
MAsshole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:45 am
Anyone know if Giant is going to revamp the TCR anytime soon?
Theres multiple 2019 rim brake versions of the TCR already on Giant's website. No change, as far as I can see. I like this one.
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TonyM
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by TonyM on Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:56 am
Shrike wrote: ↑Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:59 am
Guessing the new Timemachine is a brick as CW's entire article conveniently doesn't mention it.
Humm, somehow very strange indeed......
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by Discodan on Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:17 am
The Cycling Tips review said they didn’t get a chance to weigh it but not why, who knows if BMC is hiding it or it’s just the way it played out. I’m sure I saw somewhere it was 7.6 ish for the top line model
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TonyM
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by TonyM on Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:22 am
Discodan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:17 am
The Cycling Tips review said they didn’t get a chance to weigh it but not why, who knows if BMC is hiding it or it’s just the way it played out. I’m sure I saw somewhere it was 7.6 ish for the top line model
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"TIMEMACHINE 01 ROAD ONE:
Weigh 7.5 kg (8.0 kg including Aero-module and bottles)"
From Gran Fondo
Not that "light". ...My F10 disk is 7.56kg with K-Edge Garmin-mount, Powermeter, 2 bottle cages and pedals and the Pinarello/ F10 are not known to be light....
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mrlobber
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by mrlobber on Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:50 am
TonyM wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:22 am
Not that "light". ...My F10 disk is 7.56kg with K-Edge Garmin-mount, Powermeter, 2 bottle cages and pedals and the Pinarello/ F10 are not known to be light....
Which wheels?
Minimum bike categories required in the stable:
Aero bike | GC bike | GC rim bike | Climbing bike | Climbing rim bike | Classics bike | Gravel bike | TT bike | Indoors bike
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hannawald
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by hannawald on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:07 am
"TIMEMACHINE 01 ROAD ONE:
Weigh 7.5 kg (8.0 kg including Aero-module and bottles)"
From Gran Fondo
half a kilo for 2 water bottles, water bottle cages and a box, not really weightweenie..without going into extremes 2 bottles and 2 cages can be 200g. Funny thing is that they "advertise" their axles are very light at just fifty something grams, but doesn´t mention this:)
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TonyM
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by TonyM on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:37 am
mrlobber wrote:TonyM wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:22 am
Not that "light". ...My F10 disk is 7.56kg with K-Edge Garmin-mount, Powermeter, 2 bottle cages and pedals and the Pinarello/ F10 are not known to be light....
Which wheels?
I am using the DT Swiss ARC 1100 Dicut 48 DB.
The stock TeamMachine ONE has the 62mm. They are 100g heavier than the 48mm.
The Dura Ace powermeter is adding 70g to the standard 9100 crankset.
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TonyM
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by TonyM on Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:41 am
hannawald wrote:
"TIMEMACHINE 01 ROAD ONE:
Weigh 7.5 kg (8.0 kg including Aero-module and bottles)"
From Gran Fondo
half a kilo for 2 water bottles, water bottle cages and a box, not really weightweenie..without going into extremes 2 bottles and 2 cages can be 200g. (...)
My thoughts also. Not WW at all.
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cyclenutnz
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by cyclenutnz on Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:23 am
AndreLM wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:43 pm
Fuji is also promising a revamped sub 900g Transonic with no proprietary parts, and good aero.
I wouldn't say that 'no proprietary parts' is entirely accurate
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by AndreLM on Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:28 am
cyclenutnz wrote:
I wouldn't say that 'no proprietary parts' is entirely accurate
I am OK if they use only a proprietary seatpost but use standard stem, bars and brakes.
Do you have more info?