S-Works Venge 2019

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
guadzilla
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by guadzilla

dudemanppl wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:26 pm
That won't work, just buy the SRAM BB30 DUB BB, they're cheap and light.
No creak issues? Was thinking of a Wheels Mfg BB for that reason.

Also, for my own knowledge - from what i gather, Spesh frames with the Al cup bonded to the frame just need drop-in bearings (BB30): so as long as the ID of the bearings is compatible with the DUB spindle, shouldnt it fit? If i get the full BB assembly, would i have to remove the Al cups or would they fit into that?

Thanks!

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scale29
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by scale29

edited - bad information

Vivo3d
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by Vivo3d

I will be building up my new venge this weekend and then have a bike fit next week. Can I keep the steerer tube uncut (so the full length from the frameset) and just fix it with stem and some carbon paste? Or do I have to cut it so that I can use the steerer tube cap? Not planing to ride it in the open but just do the fit and then cut the steerer tube once instead of multiple times. Thanks

calv1n
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by calv1n

Vivo3d wrote:I will be building up my new venge this weekend and then have a bike fit next week. Can I keep the steerer tube uncut (so the full length from the frameset) and just fix it with stem and some carbon paste? Or do I have to cut it so that I can use the steerer tube cap? Not planing to ride it in the open but just do the fit and then cut the steerer tube once instead of multiple times. Thanks
I think I read somewhere that you can’t have more than 1cm of steerer above the stem..

There is an alternative steerer cap that allows for protruding steerer.

Just having my steerer cut today and 38cm bars installed Image

Vivo3d
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by Vivo3d

calv1n wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:06 am
Vivo3d wrote:I will be building up my new venge this weekend and then have a bike fit next week. Can I keep the steerer tube uncut (so the full length from the frameset) and just fix it with stem and some carbon paste? Or do I have to cut it so that I can use the steerer tube cap? Not planing to ride it in the open but just do the fit and then cut the steerer tube once instead of multiple times. Thanks
I think I read somewhere that you can’t have more than 1cm of steerer above the stem..

There is an alternative steerer cap that allows for protruding steerer.

Just having my steerer cut today and 38cm bars installed Image
Yeah I know - that is what is written in the user manual. Max. 35mm under the stem and max. 10mm over the stem. But for the bike fit - which will be indoor and static - shouldn't it be ok to just uncut and without cap? Any mechanic here that could give his opinion?

Visqu
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by Visqu

Vivo3d wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:06 pm
calv1n wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:06 am
Vivo3d wrote:I will be building up my new venge this weekend and then have a bike fit next week. Can I keep the steerer tube uncut (so the full length from the frameset) and just fix it with stem and some carbon paste? Or do I have to cut it so that I can use the steerer tube cap? Not planing to ride it in the open but just do the fit and then cut the steerer tube once instead of multiple times. Thanks
I think I read somewhere that you can’t have more than 1cm of steerer above the stem..

There is an alternative steerer cap that allows for protruding steerer.

Just having my steerer cut today and 38cm bars installed Image
Yeah I know - that is what is written in the user manual. Max. 35mm under the stem and max. 10mm over the stem. But for the bike fit - which will be indoor and static - shouldn't it be ok to just uncut and without cap? Any mechanic here that could give his opinion?
Not really answering your question here, sorry about that but;

Honest question, are you actually going to a bike fit to ride your own bike and then have them adjust your saddle, stem length/height, handlebar/lever angle etc while you ride (or even better put; wait around and shuffle your feet between pulls and what not).

I'd expect a fitting bike where things can be adjusted on the fly.

Vivo3d
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by Vivo3d

Visqu wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:21 pm
Vivo3d wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:06 pm
calv1n wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:06 am
Vivo3d wrote:I will be building up my new venge this weekend and then have a bike fit next week. Can I keep the steerer tube uncut (so the full length from the frameset) and just fix it with stem and some carbon paste? Or do I have to cut it so that I can use the steerer tube cap? Not planing to ride it in the open but just do the fit and then cut the steerer tube once instead of multiple times. Thanks
I think I read somewhere that you can’t have more than 1cm of steerer above the stem..

There is an alternative steerer cap that allows for protruding steerer.

Just having my steerer cut today and 38cm bars installed Image
Yeah I know - that is what is written in the user manual. Max. 35mm under the stem and max. 10mm over the stem. But for the bike fit - which will be indoor and static - shouldn't it be ok to just uncut and without cap? Any mechanic here that could give his opinion?
Not really answering your question here, sorry about that but;

Honest question, are you actually going to a bike fit to ride your own bike and then have them adjust your saddle, stem length/height, handlebar/lever angle etc while you ride (or even better put; wait around and shuffle your feet between pulls and what not).

I'd expect a fitting bike where things can be adjusted on the fly.
Never done a bike fit? That is how the bike is then fitted to your body and not the other way around.
New bike with new geometry - pretty obvious to me that I'm going to have a bike fit.

dudemanppl
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by dudemanppl

guadzilla wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:18 am
No creak issues? Was thinking of a Wheels Mfg BB for that reason.

Also, for my own knowledge - from what i gather, Spesh frames with the Al cup bonded to the frame just need drop-in bearings (BB30): so as long as the ID of the bearings is compatible with the DUB spindle, shouldnt it fit? If i get the full BB assembly, would i have to remove the Al cups or would they fit into that?

Thanks!
Spec BB tolerances are good, I say address the issue if it becomes a problem. DUB needs an 85.5mm bearing stance, BB30 is 68, so just pressing the bearings in would be useless. The cups in the frame are not removable without absolutely destroying the frame. Just pop your old bearings/circlips out and press in the SRAM DUB.

mistercee
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by mistercee

Imaking20 wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:33 am
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7064g as pictured. So 214g heavier than the Tarmac was with the same wheels and tires.
I'm wondering where you shaved 300g off my build. Clearly the chainrings and Dura Ace group differences but I would think my wheelset is 200g or so lighter.

Getting down to 7000g is my eventual hope but it's hard to see swapping to da getting me 300g.

guadzilla
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by guadzilla

dudemanppl wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:51 am
Spec BB tolerances are good, I say address the issue if it becomes a problem. DUB needs an 85.5mm bearing stance, BB30 is 68, so just pressing the bearings in would be useless. The cups in the frame are not removable without absolutely destroying the frame. Just pop your old bearings/circlips out and press in the SRAM DUB.
Thanks!

Visqu
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by Visqu

Vivo3d wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:52 pm
Visqu wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:21 pm


Not really answering your question here, sorry about that but;

Honest question, are you actually going to a bike fit to ride your own bike and then have them adjust your saddle, stem length/height, handlebar/lever angle etc while you ride (or even better put; wait around and shuffle your feet between pulls and what not).

I'd expect a fitting bike where things can be adjusted on the fly.
Never done a bike fit? That is how the bike is then fitted to your body and not the other way around.
New bike with new geometry - pretty obvious to me that I'm going to have a bike fit.
Well yes, I have, thanks for asking.

I was fitted on a fitting bike, or a jig or whatever you want to call it.
Here's a fitting bike:

Image

I suppose some smaller operations don't have access or are hesitant to spend money on equipment.
Hence the need to bring your own bike to ride on.

The measurement results from the fitting session can then be used to pick the correct frame size and geometry, and then finally adjust the bike accordingly.
My position doesn't really change between bikes and I'm able to transfer my fit to any reasonably sized bike, no need for a fitting session if I change frames.

Personally, I wouldn't like waiting around while the fitter is changing stems and so on.

Vivo3d
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by Vivo3d

Visqu wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:23 am
Vivo3d wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:52 pm
Visqu wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:21 pm


Not really answering your question here, sorry about that but;

Honest question, are you actually going to a bike fit to ride your own bike and then have them adjust your saddle, stem length/height, handlebar/lever angle etc while you ride (or even better put; wait around and shuffle your feet between pulls and what not).

I'd expect a fitting bike where things can be adjusted on the fly.
Never done a bike fit? That is how the bike is then fitted to your body and not the other way around.
New bike with new geometry - pretty obvious to me that I'm going to have a bike fit.
Well yes, I have, thanks for asking.

I was fitted on a fitting bike, or a jig or whatever you want to call it.
Here's a fitting bike:

Image

I suppose some smaller operations don't have access or are hesitant to spend money on equipment.
Hence the need to bring your own bike to ride on.

The measurement results from the fitting session can then be used to pick the correct frame size and geometry, and then finally adjust the bike accordingly.
My position doesn't really change between bikes and I'm able to transfer my fit to any reasonably sized bike, no need for a fitting session if I change frames.

Personally, I wouldn't like waiting around while the fitter is changing stems and so on.
Using something like a retül might be fine if I wouldn't have my own bike and would start from zero. But I do - plus I was adviced against it from one of the bike fitters (which do use retül) in my city seen that you really can't setup seattube and headtube angle anyway. And for sure I do not want to transfer the setup from my track bike on my Venge even if the stack and reach are similar. The way I got to the best result is to work with an experienced fitter and lots of feedback from me - so trying different stem lengths and angles is exactly what I want to do with him

Vivo3d
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by Vivo3d

Installing the rear wheel I noticed that on the left side where the brass cup is, it is not completely gray (looks like some coating) like in the front but on the rear you can see the brass. Is this normal because by tightening at the specified nm it scratches the coating? Or is there something wrong with the cup/frame?
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Imaking20
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by Imaking20

mistercee wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:46 am
I'm wondering where you shaved 300g off my build. Clearly the chainrings and Dura Ace group differences but I would think my wheelset is 200g or so lighter.

Getting down to 7000g is my eventual hope but it's hard to see swapping to da getting me 300g.
Small details add up.

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Current:
Acid Mint Tarmac
Hakka MX

Retired:
Boone |Wilier Wonka|The Dentist|The Bucket List|Specialissima|Evo|T2|Blue|Project C6.0 | elt AR FRD|Colnago C59|S-Works Tarmac SL4|S-Works Venge|Wilier Cento1 SL|Tarmac SL2

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ckspark
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by ckspark

Is anyone using their Venge or Tarmac disc on a Wahoo Kickr?. I just got one but I'm concerned about the knurling on the Kickr bosses digging into the carbon drop outs, especially as the Roval wheel bosses are smooth flat. Also is anyone aware of any warranty issues if the bike is used on a trainer?
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