S-Works Venge 2019

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
jhalmar
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by jhalmar

^^ My Roval CLX50discs are 1416g with tubeless tape and valves so you really need a light set to save weight.

Darceking
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by Darceking

i wouldn't go less than 50mm on the Venge, and I don't think you will really find a lighter set of wheels ( CLX50 ) that are equally as good for the weight

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Henryexige
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by Henryexige

jhalmar wrote:^^ My Roval CLX50discs are 1416g with tubeless tape and valves so you really need a light set to save weight.
The clx64 on venge work fine but it is tough on long climb. Probably need to invest in a pair of clx50 and it doesn’t look out of place on a venge for sure.


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Stueys
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by Stueys

Roval's own figures show (quoting Cycling Tips) ' ..Thus, compared to a standard low-profile alloy wheelset, the CLX 32 offers ~25% reduction in drag compared to ~50% for the CLX 50 and ~60% for the CLX 64.
The CLX 64 may be the most aerodynamically efficient wheelset in the range, but it comes with a significant weight penalty: 17.3% compared to CLX 32 and 11.1% compared to CLX 50. In contrast, the CLX 50 weighs just 5.4% more than the CLX 32 yet provides a much greater (38%) reduction in drag. ...'

Suggests the 50 is probably the pick of the bunch unless your predominantly on the flats.

jmechy
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by jmechy

robeambro wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 10:48 am
Hi guys, sorry if it’s a repetitive question but here goes: what Wahoo mount are you using on your Aerofly handlebars?

I bought a Precotec mount but the bolt snapped at 5nm and I’m not quite sure I want to use it even if they send a replacement bolt.

Edit: I should mention I have a Tarmac, so no Venge stem
I installed Aerofly II bars on my tarmac with an F3 cycling mount. It was a major pain to set up - make sure you read ALL the instructions and grease the bolts, and even buy the brace to help with the install. That said, now that it's installed I like it.

parajba
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by parajba

I am debating whether I should try the Conti 5000 TL 28mm on my CLX50 (currently have the 25mm and really like them). Any thoughts re shape, tyre and rim interface? Main reason to increase comfort and grip (which is already quite good) on the broken UK roads. Thanks

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by RussellS

spdntrxi wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:23 pm
RussellS wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:17 pm
MNX1024 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 3:48 pm
Now I just gotta figure out ways to lighten the sucker up. Any suggestions people?
Tires. Tubes. Custom wheels such as carbon clincher Enve rims and Extralite hubs. The stock Roval wheels are not the lightest. You could easily save quarter to half Pound of weight with custom built "expensive" wheels over the factory Roval.
Pretty sure my Roval CLX50's are lighter then both my Enve 5.6 and Enve4.5AR..your recommendation indeed would be $$$$..as I used those in the rim brake days of old
The Roval CLX50 wheels are sort of an anomaly. Their weight of 1415 grams according to Roval/Specialized is very similar to what you could build up a custom Enve 4.5 RIMS, Extralite hubs, and 44 spokes. I calculate about a 40 gram difference. Not much. The Enve 4.5AR wheelset are extremely heavy for some reason. Not sure why the AR designation adds an extra 200 grams. So throw them out of this discussion. Enve 4.5 rims are 49 and 55mm. Comparable to the Roval CLX50 wheels in depth.

But Venge bikes from Specialized come with Roval CLX64 wheels. 64 wheels, not the 50 wheels everyone here is talking about. The factory Roval CLX64 wheels are 1615 grams and 64mm depth. I think the Enve 5.6 wheels/rims are the best comparison to the Roval 64. Enve 5.6 rims are 54 and 63mm. Compared to the Roval 64 being 64mm. Comparable. Enve 5.6 wheelset is 1553 grams. So savings of 62 grams over the Roval CLX64. Two ounces. Not a lot. BUT, if you go through the cost and effort of building custom wheels with the 54 and 63mm Enve 5.6 RIMS, and Enve hubs, and 44 spokes, you can get to 1412 grams. About 200 grams lighter than the comparable Roval CLX64 wheelset. There are more than a few people on this forum who would slit your mommas throat to save 200 grams. Seven ounces. Of rotating weight as some love to point out.

jlok
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by jlok

My 4.5AR is 1.5kg with Industry Nine Torch Road Classic CL hubs and CX-Ray spokes. 1.53 incl. valves and tape. It's wider and more spokes than CLX50, that's why the weight gain.
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robeambro
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by robeambro

jmechy wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 9:19 pm
robeambro wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 10:48 am
Hi guys, sorry if it’s a repetitive question but here goes: what Wahoo mount are you using on your Aerofly handlebars?

I bought a Precotec mount but the bolt snapped at 5nm and I’m not quite sure I want to use it even if they send a replacement bolt.

Edit: I should mention I have a Tarmac, so no Venge stem
I installed Aerofly II bars on my tarmac with an F3 cycling mount. It was a major pain to set up - make sure you read ALL the instructions and grease the bolts, and even buy the brace to help with the install. That said, now that it's installed I like it.
Thanks! To be honest I was hoping there'd be an easier solution. Or, cheaper, since it has to be a pain in the ass..

CrankAddictsRich
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by CrankAddictsRich

RussellS wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 6:01 am
The Enve 4.5AR wheelset are extremely heavy for some reason. Not sure why the AR designation adds an extra 200 grams. So throw them out of this discussion.
The AR in the 4.5AR means "All-Road" they're a gravel/mixed terrain use wheel designed for wider tires and I believe with an slightly higher spoke count. If you're riding strictly road, they're probably overkill, but if you're doing anything that involves mixed then they're probably a good choice.

RussellS wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 6:01 am
Enve 4.5 rims are 49 and 55mm. Comparable to the Roval CLX50 wheels in depth.

But Venge bikes from Specialized come with Roval CLX64 wheels. 64 wheels, not the 50 wheels everyone here is talking about. The factory Roval CLX64 wheels are 1615 grams and 64mm depth.
Not all of the Venge models come with the 64's... this used to be the case, but I've seen a few at my LBS that had the 50's straight out of the box. I'm not sure if this is some sort of option that shops can choose when ordering stock bikes. I know the "Pro" model bike also comes with the CL50's.... not sure if hey make a 64 in the CL designation.

spdntrxi
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by spdntrxi

^ I believe there is a CL64 available...

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Darceking wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 5:19 am
i wouldn't go less than 50mm on the Venge, and I don't think you will really find a lighter set of wheels ( CLX50 ) that are equally as good for the weight
You haven't tried one with CLX32 I guess, I got a pair and it's super fun :) Used CLX64 for a TT a couple of days ago and sure they are faster but as snappy as the 32s are the bike get's so agile. And great for climbing too :)
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Darceking
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by Darceking

I had CLX32 on my old Venge, but had too much brake rub - 100kg will do that

ichobi
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by ichobi

jmechy wrote:
robeambro wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 10:48 am
Hi guys, sorry if it’s a repetitive question but here goes: what Wahoo mount are you using on your Aerofly handlebars?

I bought a Precotec mount but the bolt snapped at 5nm and I’m not quite sure I want to use it even if they send a replacement bolt.

Edit: I should mention I have a Tarmac, so no Venge stem
I installed Aerofly II bars on my tarmac with an F3 cycling mount. It was a major pain to set up - make sure you read ALL the instructions and grease the bolts, and even buy the brace to help with the install. That said, now that it's installed I like it.
What stem do use with your aerofly bsr? Am running a tarmac and debating if I should get the aerofly 2 bar as well.

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siovene
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by siovene

Hello, quick question: I have a Venge and when it came home from the shop it has 1 cm of spacers as I requested. One of them was the one with an opening, that you can remove without re-cabling the brake hoses. I have since removed it.

The other 0.5 cm spacer is not like that, and cannot be removed unless the cables are re-done or the spacer is broken.

Is there any reason for that? In other words, is that 0.5 cm spacer mandatory for structural reasons?

Thanks!

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