S-Works Venge 2019

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majorhunadadun
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by majorhunadadun

Brumby wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:56 am
majorhunadadun wrote:
blehargh wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:23 pm
Sizing question for you guys. Obviously I'm thinking about dropping $$$ to grab a Venge, and I'm not super familiar with Specialized sizing, and was looking to the interwebs for some help. I'm debating between a 56 and 58cm..
  • * 6" tall
    * 75cm saddle height
    * super long torso - likely I'm gonna drop a 130mm 6* stem on either bike.
    * currently have about a 7-8cm drop from saddle to handlebars
I"m more familar with Trek sizing - and would drop a 58cm H1 likely on a Trek. The 58 Specialized would be fine i think - longer, and I'd have the stem pretty much slammed with very little post showing. The 56 seems more reasonable? I'd probably have to put maybe 20-25mm of spacers to get at my current height.

Thoughts? :) Thanks!
What are the stack and reach numbers on your current bike?
Stem is slammed as low as it will go with a 120mm stem.


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I was asking @bleharge but thanks! Ha!

RussellS
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by RussellS

blehargh wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:23 pm
Sizing question for a Venge, I'm debating between a 56 and 58cm..
  • * 6" tall
    * 75cm saddle height
    * super long torso - likely I'm gonna drop a 130mm 6* stem on either bike.
    * currently have about a 7-8cm drop from saddle to handlebars
I"m more familar with Trek sizing - and would drop a 58cm H1 likely on a Trek. The 58 Specialized would be fine i think - longer, and I'd have the stem pretty much slammed with very little post showing. The 56 seems more reasonable? I'd probably have to put maybe 20-25mm of spacers to get at my current height.
I am 5'11" tall. 57cm toptube is perfect for me and 12cm stem and setback seatpost and saddle all the way back on rails. 56cm Venge has 56.2cm toptube. 58cm Venge has 57.7cm toptube. I have about 5 inches drop between saddle and bars. I would choose the 58cm Venge for me.

I would suggest a 58cm Venge for you. 57.7cm toptube is the right length for a 6' tall person. Especially if you have a super long torso as you say. I don't think standover height will be an issue on the 58cm Venge unless you have the leg length of a small boy. Your 3" of bar-saddle drop is not very much. The longer headtube on the 58cm Venge will get the bars up high like you want. I think you would need 5-6cm of spacers on the 56cm Venge to get the bars up high enough. Its possible you may only need a 12cm stem instead of the 13 you list. Nothing wrong with using a 12cm stem.

I should state I am not a fan of the "buy a bike two sizes too small and put a two foot long seatpost and foot long stem on it and pretend it fits you" look. I am a fan of buying a bike frame with the right length toptube and then doing very small adjustments with the stem and/or saddle setback.

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Brumby wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:50 am
parajba wrote:
Brumby wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:25 am
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Beautiful. Will buy one in January :)
What size is it? 52? 54?
Does it ride well on rolling hills and climbs? Is it good as an all-rounder? I currently ride an S2.
It is a 49cm (I am 166cm) and yes it awesome on rolling terrain and climbs. I am in Adelaide (Tour Down Under) so lots of climbing to be had. I also have an SL5 SW Tarmac and I prefer the Venge already as an all rounder. I was a bit worried about the aero bars for climbing but i actually love them, it is such a big platform your hands just rest on the tops very comfortably. They are textured on top so even without gloves and going hard I have not found any issues with grip. It is the same weight as the SL5 even with deeper wheels which I find incredible given how aero it is (and with disc)and it just so much faster...it just wants to roll. I would say it is a slightly harsher ride than the Tarmac but worth it given the advantages. I have reduced the tyre pressure by 5psi on the SW 26mm tyres and that has offset it for the most part. You will love it...trust me!!


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Thanks a lot! I am planning to use tubeless, very excited! :)

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by Karvalo

AJS914 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:48 pm
I searched and came up with the weight of 60 grams for 2 ounces of Stan's. If that bike has 100 gram tubes then you'd save 140 grams right there.
You figured out how to run tubeless without valves? :wink:

blehargh
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by blehargh

majorhunadadun wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:19 am
Brumby wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:56 am
majorhunadadun wrote:
blehargh wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:23 pm
Sizing question for you guys. Obviously I'm thinking about dropping $$$ to grab a Venge, and I'm not super familiar with Specialized sizing, and was looking to the interwebs for some help. I'm debating between a 56 and 58cm..
  • * 6" tall
    * 75cm saddle height
    * super long torso - likely I'm gonna drop a 130mm 6* stem on either bike.
    * currently have about a 7-8cm drop from saddle to handlebars
I"m more familar with Trek sizing - and would drop a 58cm H1 likely on a Trek. The 58 Specialized would be fine i think - longer, and I'd have the stem pretty much slammed with very little post showing. The 56 seems more reasonable? I'd probably have to put maybe 20-25mm of spacers to get at my current height.

Thoughts? :) Thanks!
What are the stack and reach numbers on your current bike?
Stem is slammed as low as it will go with a 120mm stem.


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I was asking @bleharge but thanks! Ha!
Lol - it's an old bike so measurements are hard to come by accurately. Think the stack is around 575cm and reach in in the 410mm

blehargh
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by blehargh

RussellS wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:03 am
blehargh wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:23 pm
Sizing question for a Venge, I'm debating between a 56 and 58cm..
  • * 6" tall
    * 75cm saddle height
    * super long torso - likely I'm gonna drop a 130mm 6* stem on either bike.
    * currently have about a 7-8cm drop from saddle to handlebars
I"m more familar with Trek sizing - and would drop a 58cm H1 likely on a Trek. The 58 Specialized would be fine i think - longer, and I'd have the stem pretty much slammed with very little post showing. The 56 seems more reasonable? I'd probably have to put maybe 20-25mm of spacers to get at my current height.
I am 5'11" tall. 57cm toptube is perfect for me and 12cm stem and setback seatpost and saddle all the way back on rails. 56cm Venge has 56.2cm toptube. 58cm Venge has 57.7cm toptube. I have about 5 inches drop between saddle and bars. I would choose the 58cm Venge for me.

I would suggest a 58cm Venge for you. 57.7cm toptube is the right length for a 6' tall person. Especially if you have a super long torso as you say. I don't think standover height will be an issue on the 58cm Venge unless you have the leg length of a small boy. Your 3" of bar-saddle drop is not very much. The longer headtube on the 58cm Venge will get the bars up high like you want. I think you would need 5-6cm of spacers on the 56cm Venge to get the bars up high enough. Its possible you may only need a 12cm stem instead of the 13 you list. Nothing wrong with using a 12cm stem.

I should state I am not a fan of the "buy a bike two sizes too small and put a two foot long seatpost and foot long stem on it and pretend it fits you" look. I am a fan of buying a bike frame with the right length toptube and then doing very small adjustments with the stem and/or saddle setback.
curious what your saddle height is?

part of the issue as well, is that i like my saddle forward on the rails, considering getting the zero setback post too, hence the long stem.

Totally get the "too small" look thing. Understand my drop isn't super large - but somehow i feel like I'd want the option to go lower (it's an aero bike afterall) and if the stem is slammed all the way on the 58 already.. then not much choice there.

whatleytom
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by whatleytom

tommyb wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:07 pm
Looking to replace the stock thru axles that came with my Venge but I'm confused which measurement identifies the right ones, I know the Venge thru-axle standard is 142x12mm for the rear and 100x12mm for the front but not sure which of these lists correct length - Carbon-Ti front / Carbon-Ti rear or Robert Axle Project
Have you weighed them? I measured the current thru axle the same weight as the carbon-ti ones.

RussellS
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by RussellS

blehargh wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:36 pm
RussellS wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:03 am
blehargh wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:23 pm
Sizing question for a Venge, I'm debating between a 56 and 58cm..
  • * 6" tall
    * 75cm saddle height
    * super long torso - likely I'm gonna drop a 130mm 6* stem on either bike.
    * currently have about a 7-8cm drop from saddle to handlebars
I"m more familar with Trek sizing - and would drop a 58cm H1 likely on a Trek. The 58 Specialized would be fine i think - longer, and I'd have the stem pretty much slammed with very little post showing. The 56 seems more reasonable? I'd probably have to put maybe 20-25mm of spacers to get at my current height.
I am 5'11" tall. 57cm toptube is perfect for me and 12cm stem and setback seatpost and saddle all the way back on rails. 56cm Venge has 56.2cm toptube. 58cm Venge has 57.7cm toptube. I have about 5 inches drop between saddle and bars. I would choose the 58cm Venge for me.

I would suggest a 58cm Venge for you. 57.7cm toptube is the right length for a 6' tall person. Especially if you have a super long torso as you say. I don't think standover height will be an issue on the 58cm Venge unless you have the leg length of a small boy. Your 3" of bar-saddle drop is not very much. The longer headtube on the 58cm Venge will get the bars up high like you want. I think you would need 5-6cm of spacers on the 56cm Venge to get the bars up high enough. Its possible you may only need a 12cm stem instead of the 13 you list. Nothing wrong with using a 12cm stem.

I should state I am not a fan of the "buy a bike two sizes too small and put a two foot long seatpost and foot long stem on it and pretend it fits you" look. I am a fan of buying a bike frame with the right length toptube and then doing very small adjustments with the stem and/or saddle setback.
curious what your saddle height is?

part of the issue as well, is that i like my saddle forward on the rails, considering getting the zero setback post too, hence the long stem.

Totally get the "too small" look thing. Understand my drop isn't super large - but somehow i feel like I'd want the option to go lower (it's an aero bike afterall) and if the stem is slammed all the way on the 58 already.. then not much choice there.
Distance from center of bottom bracket to top-middle of saddle is 79cm for me. I'm guessing that is what your 75cm saddle height represents. You would definitely be sitting on the toptube of a 58cm when straddling it. If you want the zero setback seatpost, and push the saddle forward on the rails, then I think there is no way on earth you could ride a 56cm Venge frame with its 56.2cm toptube. You would need a 16cm stem. Difference of 15mm toptube lengths. Difference of 20-25mm between setback on seatposts. 2-3-4cm sliding saddle forward on rails. Add those to your 13cm stem and you are at 16-17-18cm stem for you. Only way for you to go lower is to get a steeper angle stem. -7 degrees, -10 degrees, -17 degrees. I'm guessing Specialized is making a -17 stem for its pro riders.
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majorhunadadun
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by majorhunadadun

blehargh wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 pm
majorhunadadun wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:19 am
Brumby wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:56 am
majorhunadadun wrote: What are the stack and reach numbers on your current bike?
Stem is slammed as low as it will go with a 120mm stem.


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I was asking @bleharge but thanks! Ha!
Lol - it's an old bike so measurements are hard to come by accurately. Think the stack is around 575cm and reach in in the 410mm
blehargh wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 pm
majorhunadadun wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:19 am
Brumby wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:56 am
majorhunadadun wrote:
What are the stack and reach numbers on your current bike?
Stem is slammed as low as it will go with a 120mm stem.


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I was asking @bleharge but thanks! Ha!
Lol - it's an old bike so measurements are hard to come by accurately. Think the stack is around 575cm and reach in in the 410mm

Okay well the 56 is 555 STACK, 398 REACH. That gets you 2 cm lower. You can always put a longer stem on. These particular bikes have a longer seatpost option so people can go with smaller than usual bikes to get more aero. I would always go smaller. I quoted the article below.

https://granfondo-cycling.com/specializ ... 9-on-test/

Specialized Venge 2019 – Geometry

Despite different measurements for its stack and reach, you should have a similar race-led position on the S-Works Venge 2019 as you do on the S-Works Tarmac SL6, achieved through the new Venge’s 18 mm minimum spacer height in the headset cup. The Tarmac SL6, on the other hand, works with a 10 mm higher headset and a longer stem to get the same position. The Venge 2019’s seatpost comes in two lengths (300 mm or 390 mm) and two off-sets (0 mm or 20 mm). The Di2 junction box has been smartly housed in the seatpost.

andreas
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by andreas

I was under the impression that the seatpost is just offset by a wedge, and that it basically then only comes in two variations (300mm and 390mm). Incorrect? Is it actually 4 versions? If so, anyone know what the default offset on the seatpost of the Venge Pro 56cm is?

JeffK
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by JeffK

Stock 56 seatpost is 390mm with 20mm offset
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ParisCarbon
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by ParisCarbon

There are 4 seatposts available..
28119-3302 SW VENGE CARBON POST 300MM 20 OFFSET
28119-3312 SW VENGE CARBON POST 390MM 20 OFFSET
28119-3300 SW VENGE CARBON POST 300MM 0 OFFSET
28119-3310 SW VENGE CARBON POST 390MM 0 OFFSET

majorhunadadun
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by majorhunadadun

ParisCarbon wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:34 am
There are 4 seatposts available..
28119-3302 SW VENGE CARBON POST 300MM 20 OFFSET
28119-3312 SW VENGE CARBON POST 390MM 20 OFFSET
28119-3300 SW VENGE CARBON POST 300MM 0 OFFSET
28119-3310 SW VENGE CARBON POST 390MM 0 OFFSET
I wonder if you can still flip the seatpost around like you used to be able to?

ParisCarbon
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by ParisCarbon

majorhunadadun wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:41 pm
ParisCarbon wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:34 am
There are 4 seatposts available..
28119-3302 SW VENGE CARBON POST 300MM 20 OFFSET
28119-3312 SW VENGE CARBON POST 390MM 20 OFFSET
28119-3300 SW VENGE CARBON POST 300MM 0 OFFSET
28119-3310 SW VENGE CARBON POST 390MM 0 OFFSET
I wonder if you can still flip the seatpost around like you used to be able to?
My frameset is in the box downstairs... I'll check and let you know...

ParisCarbon
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by ParisCarbon

Yeah.. its one way post.. back is squared off to match the frame, whole the front is curved

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