Transfer clips position on new shoes any tips?

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flostonf00
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by flostonf00

Hey guys my old specialized shoes are fut pwrfect my left leg it s almost straight and the clip as well. My right foot when i walk goes more outside so i position my clip outside a bit i remember i felt the pain and then adjust ut 10 times in 1 hour....to not have discomfort and pain. Now i bought a nedd shoes NW and can't find mt right foot the perfect position to not have the pain outside unde ny knee. So the question its any tips i can transfer the position?

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zefs
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by zefs

Maybe this could help: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ergon-pedal-cleat-tool/

If your foot angles to the outside you might want to apply the same amount of rotation to the cleat (and then lessen it if you notice issues, because a small amount is usually enough) instead of moving the cleat. With cleats adjustments it is the opposite of what you want to do, so to move the shoe further away from the pedals you move the cleat to the inside of the shoe. Same for rotation.

Why not get a bike fit if are you still having issues?

alcatraz
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by alcatraz

How about you change the cleat on on side at a time and get on the bike with an old shoe on one side. Compare between them. If you have the bike on a trainer you can just adjust the cleat without getting off the bike. Go for a spin, recheck.

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sungod
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by sungod

if you have a leg/foot difference like you describe, then i would not think just cleat position is the cause of pain or the answer

imho you should consider seeing a bike fit expert who understands feet/shoes, or a physio who knows cycling

fwiw i had a long term issue with knee pain/injury, i'd think i was ok, but then get another pain for no apparent reason, in the end it was a physio who specialised in bikefit who analysed the problem and corrected it (shim+wedges+insoles), it's years ago now, in that time i've been through a few (different) pairs of shoes, i just move the cleats/shim/wedges/insoles from old to new

flostonf00
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by flostonf00

i never had issue with knee pain because i remeber how many times i change my right cleat position to feel no pain.But now seems imposible i will adjust it by myself if there its not any option. For bike fit i need to travel 350km for the closest shop... i will buy the wiggle adjuster if i cant cope with it...

zefs
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by zefs

Maybe it's the insoles on the new shoes, not giving much arch support for your foot?

sungod
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by sungod

^^^this type of thing is certainly a possibility

op - if you can't easily get to anywhere for assessment, try observing...

when pedaling, do your knees move in a plane parallel to the bike frame? if one/both move in/out that is something that can cause injury/pain (it can be intermittent, just waiting for you to apply too much force or move a little further than usual)
easier if someone helps you:
as you pedal, are your hips level? if one side is lower, might be a leg length difference/other asymmetry, if your hips are rolling maybe the saddle position can be adjusted
as you walk barefoot, does your ankle rotate inwards as your foot lands? inwards would suggest extra arch support might be needed
if you stand on one leg, bend your knee to lower/raise yourself, does the knee stay straight? if not, wedge might help

...all these are generalizations, people vary a lot, there's no absolute, but by observation maybe you can work out what's going on

you mention the old shoes were specialized, these have better footbeds than most, esp. arch support, i think they also build in some varus wedge

if you've now changed to shoes with less arch support and no built-in wedging, you can't replicate the effect of specialized shoe simply by moving the cleat around

TheKaiser
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by TheKaiser

sungod wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 3:51 pm
you mention the old shoes were specialized, these have better footbeds than most, esp. arch support, i think they also build in some varus wedge

if you've now changed to shoes with less arch support and no built-in wedging, you can't replicate the effect of specialized shoe simply by moving the cleat around
Yeah, what sungod said ^^^^^! Specialized shoes have a built in varus wedge (there is debate but it should be about 0.5-1 degree, so right there you have a big change. On top of that the Body Geometry insoles that they come with are generally more supportive than a lot of the others out there (i haven't seen Northwave insoles recently, but they used to be flimsy flatish foam), so that is another big change. Third, I haven't seen the shoes in quesiton, but many generations of Specialized shoes have a substantial amount of arch support built into the actual nylon/carbon/epoxy shoe sole, which means even with no insole there is support built into the shoe, whereast many other brands build the sole flat and rely entirely on the insole or aftermarket orthotic for artch support. Again, we'd need to see pics of your specific shoe models both with a medial side profile and pics of the footbed with insole removed, to say for sure, but that is likely another big change.

You could swap your Specialized insoled to the NW shoes, which would allow you to trial 1 of the 3 variables. You could also install a cleat wedge of between 0.5 and 1 degree under your cleat, to approximate the wedging you lost with the switch to NW. That would take care of another variable. If you went from a contoured shoe sole to a flat one though, you can't replicate that without getting a similarly shaped orthotic insole. Just a foam model, even with a substantial arch support, likely wont cut it, as the foam is compressible to a degree, whereas a contoured carbon sole is not.

I'd suggest you start trialing these options, starting with what you have on hand and working up in expense from there. If you don't have luck with any of those, perhaps look for another identical new old stock pair of your specialized shoes online and just stick with what works for you. You can likely sell your NW shoes and come out even on cost, while saving yourself a lot of fretting and possible chronic pain.

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flostonf00
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by flostonf00

Seems you talk alot about insoles the truth its i have no insoles in my specialized. That must be dumb maybe but i felt so comfortable the day they were wet and i try no insoles.... So i went no insoles with them. I also changed my bike but still....soecialized works better than my NW. I also ride specialized mtb shoes but i can move freely left right in the cleats... And yes my right foot rotate when i walk i mean its not straight as the right one. So my cleat on specialized its out side...

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