Litespeed T1SL ride quality....too stiff?

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carllwyman
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by carllwyman

Hard to find much info on 'ride quality' for the Litespeed T1SL. A guy named Ryan H on this forum gave some very good feedback regarding the T3 and how it compares (comfort and stiffness) a 'carbon ride'. He also mentioned that his research has suggested that the T1Sl may be 'stiff' to the point where its very close to carbon....so why go TI because then all your getting is the weight penalty.

So....long story short. I am reaching out to see if anyone has first hand knowledge of the T1Sl and a ride report would be very helpful with my understanding of where this bike stands in the comfort and stiffness area.

FWIW....current ride is a Parlee Z5 (aswesome ride quality).....I weigh 155 and 6'

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by tabl10s

There have only been a few written reviews and video content mainly consists of show "Walk-Arounds". Every November, I get an email from the factory about clearance sales and the TL1s is always included.

The bike has a beautiful form factor and it would be my last bike "just because"(I rode the T7 briefly and liked it).
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by jlok

Would be very interested in real world user review, esp. if someone got the disc brake model.
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by pdlpsher1

Generally speaking a top-end race bike will ride like a race bike. A race geometry has very short chainstays and in T1SL's case it's 1.5cm shorter than a T7. For a more smooth riding bike you need to look at the lower-end bikes of the same brand, like a T7 which has a touring or 'sportive' geometry.

Unfortunately many people have money to spend so they buy the most expensive model, which is the same bike that Pros race on and it will ride pretty stiff and harsh relative to the lower-end models. I have switched from a 'race' geometry to a 'touring' geometry and I prefer the latter much more. Some people think that 'touring' bike are slow and unresponsive. Ironically I find it to be just the opposite. I descent much faster and with more confidence on a touring bike.

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by RyanH

I should be getting my hands on a T1sl disc for a few weeks so stay tuned
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by pdlpsher1

RyanH wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:52 am
I should be getting my hands on a T1sl disc for a few weeks so stay tuned Image
You're going with disk now? :shock:

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Doubtful, but I'm still disc curious despite the slightly unimpressed handful of times I've ridden disc. So, a few weeks with a T1sl, 9170 and lightweights... How can I say no to that?
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by pdlpsher1

Looking forward to your ride reports. Are you gonna tear down the bike so you could weigh the frame? 8)

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turlutu wrote:Ryan ?
are you going to test ride this one ?
Seems like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaSxNjqrW9k
Hard to have a nicer disc bike to try , except maybe cockpit components
The mechanic who bolted that together needs to up their game.

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You're gonna buy LW disc wheels too?! :shock:

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Mmmm...

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It was late so I didn't get to do a real ride but the only thing I can say is that it didn't feel harsh at all. Definitely more compliant than most carbon.
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The Ex's. LS Siena: 6.21kg | Parlee Z5 SLi: 5.9kg | LS Xicon: 5.76kg | C59: 5.7kg | Cervelo R5ca: 5.09kg | Fuji Altamira SE - 6.2kg | Scott Foil - 6.2kg | Evo - 5.18kg | LS Classic - 6.7kg | The Crumpton - 5.9kg

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by RyanH

So, chainstay clearance is much improved over my T3, iirc my T3 is around 32mm at the tire which is enough to barely handle 27mm (actual) tires. This is 39mm which should be good for 35mm if you went by the same narrow margin on the sides....or 28mm conti clinchers on any rim.
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The Ex's. LS Siena: 6.21kg | Parlee Z5 SLi: 5.9kg | LS Xicon: 5.76kg | C59: 5.7kg | Cervelo R5ca: 5.09kg | Fuji Altamira SE - 6.2kg | Scott Foil - 6.2kg | Evo - 5.18kg | LS Classic - 6.7kg | The Crumpton - 5.9kg

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by KarlC

RyanH wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:54 am
Mmmm...

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It was late so I didn't get to do a real ride but the only thing I can say is that it didn't feel harsh at all. Definitely more compliant than most carbon.
Ride report ??

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Day 1 Update:

Got a good 25 mile ride in with 3200 ft of elevation. I chose this route because it's a mix of challenging braking and very steep climbing.

First and foremost, to answer the OP's question, this is what the beginning of my ride looks like:

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On the T3 with Lightweight Gipfelsturm and 22mm Veloflex, this road is mildly annoying to ride on. With 27mm Vlaanderen it's not really noticeable. While I haven't ridden meilenstein clinchers to compare, I would have guessed with 25mm rubber (actual) and most likely butyl tubes that it'd be a tad harsher than the Gips. It turned out to not be the case, the vibrations felt very muted and barely perceptible. I was pretty surprised as had this been an Evo I probably would never ride this road.

As far as frame stiffness, it's hard to tell since the T3 has this goldilocks thing about it where stiffness isn't in my mind at all. I was pretty intent on figuring out if this frame felt stiffer while pedaling up steep shit and waffled about in my head if it was stiffer or about the same. I'm leaning towards it feeling like most carbon bikes in that regard but I wish I didn't leave my T3 at my friend's place as I would hop on and do a side by side.

Disc brakes: I'll follow up with that one later as I'm on my phone and don't want to write that much.

I'll finish for now with the Michelin tires being terrifying. I was warned by my friend who's a pretty stellar bike handler to be careful with the tires. Sure enough, while climbing up to the Hollywood sign, I rode over some sprinkler runoff and my rear tire slipped repeatedly until it was dry again. So, I don't know if I'll have feedback on descending as I'm not sure I have the cojones to push the bike with these tires unless it's bone dry.

Don't make fun of me, but this is how it looks right now:

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Here's a link to the route:

https://www.strava.com/activities/1534926264
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Current Stable. The Snob Machine
The Ex's. LS Siena: 6.21kg | Parlee Z5 SLi: 5.9kg | LS Xicon: 5.76kg | C59: 5.7kg | Cervelo R5ca: 5.09kg | Fuji Altamira SE - 6.2kg | Scott Foil - 6.2kg | Evo - 5.18kg | LS Classic - 6.7kg | The Crumpton - 5.9kg

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by AZR3

Which model Michelin’s are those and any idea on mileage/wear? I’ve used the previous gen in the wet and never had issues like that, scary!
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