Should I ask the builder to switch to SR 12 (he already ordered SR11 stuff). I don’t care about cost difference or waiting a few months for parts to show up. Part of me feels like a dummy, dropping this kind of money for my “perfect” bike only to spec it with an outdated drive train. On the other hand, 11 speed does have some advantages: such as being able to more easily share wheels between my other bikes (or get a wheel off support vehicles on multi day sportives, etc), being able to drop on my direct drive trainer, being able to find parts if I break down in the Alps, etc.
Main draw of 12 is newness/bling factor, and obviously the extra gear given I live in very hilly area with some steep climbs and intend to take this bike to Alps, Dolomites, etc. Some of the ergonomic changes also sound appealing. I’m undecided on which Group aesthetically looks better.
12 speed is on preorder right now so I'm not sure when it ships.
If you are really doing events like Haute Route I'd stick with 11 speed.
You can order 11 speed with an 11-32. It's a one cog difference in the end.
Love the singer 911 idea.
The 12 speed will also be outdated at some point.wintershade wrote: Part of me feels like a dummy, dropping this kind of money for my “perfect” bike only to spec it with an outdated drive train.
Classic is never outdated in the other side, 8, 9, 10 or 11 speed.
If you are fine with the 11speed cassettes and spec then go for it.
If you go 12sp you'll want to get rid of that ugly little link on the RD - it will help the looks.
You need something like one of these http://www.paragonmachineworks.com/cldr ... 12-mm.html
That can take a Paragon B4080 or B4083
They also make similar parts for Rim dropouts if you are not going disc.
is compatible with Shimano and SRAM cassettes,
drivetrain is likely to be more durable,
likely less finnicky to set up and maintain,
chains are more widely available
I'd never be an early adopter though.
The 12 is not even out yet and the 11 speed is now a 'classic'. Usually it gets old before it becomes a classic.
Go with the 12 [SEAHAWKS!]. If you are building a new bike with 11 speed, it will be out dated in a few months.
Hats off to you for having a project where money is not an object.
Hey, you might know the answer to this... how compatible are the front chainrings and/or spacing of the front chainrings? For example, can you put 12sp rings on the current four arm cranks? Are the rings actually any different... I was wondering if they had to make things narrower for the new chain, etc. You’d think so, but maybe not? Basically I’m looking for all the info I can get on the new chainrings, their spacing, and compatibility (if any), with the previous 4 arm cranks.
Also, what can you say about the new brakes... as good a build quality as current SR skeleton brakes? The existing Direct Mount brakes were really just a stop gap product till these were released I presume. Are the Direct Mount and single Center Mount now essentially the same, except for the mounting option?... much like the Dura-Ace 9100 DM and Standard Mount calipers?
The direction I’m leaning at the moment is:
1) Sticking with SR 11 for this Ti bike — my sportive/endurance bike. Primarily for aesthetic reasons, serviciblity, and ability to pick up neutral support wheels.
2) Down the line, selling my Canyon Ultimate SLX 9 Pro (Record 11) for a Dogma 10 SR12 EPS (once that’s released) race bike.
Then I’ll have something “classic” and something ultra-modern. But I could be talked out of this....
I’m also not that fast, so there is the duche bag factor of SR 12 I’d rather avoid, even though for me this is more about respecting engineering and design excellence than about being faster.
Did you miss my post above? Paragon has dropouts with replaceable hangars just for this issue.Calnago wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:33 pmI would go for the 12sp. Just make sure your builder really understands where that rear derailleur needs to be positioned in space. If it has a removeable “link” like the newest Shimano derailleurs it would be better if your builder could factor that in to the new hanger so you wouldn’t have the extra piece in there and potential for more flex. On the other hand, it would kind of tie the bike into the 12sp derailleur only. That is something you might consider if the builder is making the hanger an integrated part of the dropout.
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