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Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:35 am
by ParisCarbon
Yikes.. just saw the Canadian price from a shop online...
Record Rim Brake - $2760
Record Disc - $3480
Super Record Rim - $4060
Super Record Disc - $4570

Also said this:

The 2019 Campagnolo Super Record/Record 12 Speed EPS electronic version groupsets and components will be available October-November 2018.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:35 am
by Weenie

Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 2:12 am
by TonyM
The prices are in Canadian dollars I presume.

1 Canadian dollar = 0.78 US dollar
1 Canadian dollar = 0.66 Euro

Still not cheap...LOL

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:22 am
by Noctiluxx
What is the expected price for the SR 12-spd EPS?

Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 6:59 am
by TonyM
I suppose it will be the same as SR 11 speed EPS compared to SR 11 speed mech.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 8:54 am
by r4nd0mv4r14bl3
Any reason why 12-speed EPS could not be just a software update of the 11-speed shifters and derailleurs? Of course, this is not what they will be doing because of sales. But, hypothetically, why would it not work? Cassette width is the same, just swap 12-speed chainrings and cassette, reprogram the movement of rear mech.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:18 am
by neeb
I’m kind of hoping it’s the other way around - an updated 12 speed EPS able to handle 11sp cassettes and chainrings so I can still have sensible gear spacing and keep using my P2M.. :-)

But it sounds like the prices are going to be comical..

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:46 pm
by ParisCarbon
Yes.. Canadian dollah... Just found a place in Germany for 2100 euro or $3300 cdn for SR rim brake...
TonyM wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 2:12 am
The prices are in Canadian dollars I presume.

1 Canadian dollar = 0.78 US dollar
1 Canadian dollar = 0.66 Euro

Still not cheap...LOL

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:52 pm
by ParisCarbon
It would be nice, but hey that would make sense... I can only assume that SRM and P2M are already working on the new PMs as well... Campy has stated they dont want anything to do with the PM market...

neeb wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 10:18 am
I’m kind of hoping it’s the other way around - an updated 12 speed EPS able to handle 11sp cassettes and chainrings so I can still have sensible gear spacing and keep using my P2M.. :-)

But it sounds like the prices are going to be comical..

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 2:23 pm
by avispa
Noctiluxx wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:22 am
What is the expected price for the SR 12-spd EPS?
If you own property, get a second mortgage on it, if you don't, get a new credit card with low interest and charge the hell out of it.
This will help you afford and buy EPS 12-Speed V4. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 2:52 pm
by TonyM
The EPS V4 should have a DTI interface that can be mounted in the frame or in the handlebars like the Di2! Or wireless!

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:13 pm
by Butcher
Could an 11 work for 12 with software? Probably, it's just software that makes all the hardware work. You probably could make it work 10 too. I cannot see too many people wanting to spend the time to crack it [or making a stand alone ECU].

As for how to pay for it, I just go to the money tree out back. As long as the tree does not look too bare, my wife could care less.

Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:38 pm
by TonyM
That is indeed the cool thing with the electronics for the manufacturers: They really make it hard to use some non recommended products. In the old days with mechanical that was easier...

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:02 pm
by guyc
Looks like it's around £2600 for the SR 12 speed mechanical here.

£1750 for Record.

For reference Dura-Ace 9100 mechanical can be had for around £1200 here, and 9150 Di2 for £1850 or so.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 6:20 pm
by ParisCarbon
Yeah.. SR 11 Mech is 2299 Euro.. EPS V3 I see down to 3300 Euro... (reg 3750 euro) Im gonna Guess 4000 euro for the SR EPS group... and your PM if you get one.. so $2200 USD for an SRM ... then I need a couple of freehub bodies for my Rovals to support Campag vs Shimano cassette... better start saving now... this ones gonna hurt!!
And as I go and say that and look at the SRM USA site for the Campy PM price, its no longer there.... so that tells me things are getting swapped to the 12 spd design...

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 6:20 pm
by Weenie

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:35 pm
by kwakekeham
guyc wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:02 pm
Looks like it's around £2600 for the SR 12 speed mechanical here.

£1750 for Record.

For reference Dura-Ace 9100 mechanical can be had for around £1200 here, and 9150 Di2 for £1850 or so.
Just as a 2 cents reminder that the MSRP of 9100 Mechanical is around £1875 which lines up with Record nicely. Shimano's always discount earlier around 30% on the bigger sites after it's been in the market a while (over 2 years at this point). So when 9200 launches, initially prices will likely be around the 1800 mark which would be closer together in their life cycles. Brand new products are never discounted. I believe Ultegra R8000 DI2 disc is still selling around MSRP because the right shifters are in short supply.