Campagnolo 12-Speed

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Kjetil
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Mech gear cable set is CG-FRD700. Thats' fine, but:
So far I haven't seen a separate brake cable set, and I need such things too. So: What's a good replacement for Campagnolo brake cables and brake cable housings?

EDIT: Just had do make this post before realizing (or googling as it's called) that Campag makes the set already, and apparently has for some years. Blimey!
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cveks
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anyone got yet Chorus 12 speed? Share your experience who ever get it first.

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This days im reading this thread, and also read some review's test of Campy 12 speed... And well...I'll try to stay 11sp as much as possible.. I just bought a two new Chorus 12-29 cassette (11sp), and few chains (Record)...


I live in area with a lot of climbs, but also flat parts, and 52/36 12/29 combo of 11sp perfect... In 12s version if they at least keep the weight unchanged to 11sp, and if they keep a bit carbon look, maybe i'll switch even i dont need 12sp (just to dont have to stock cassettes in advance like now) But for me 12s look really uggly, it's heavier, and really no need of that 12sp.... Also consumables (Cassettes/Chain) more expensive (for now) then 11sp...

But It is what it is...

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by Tricky1

The new Campy 12 speed group seems to be polarizing in terms of appearance, but if there was ever an ugly gruppo, SRAM has is the undisputed winner for me. Those hideous bulky wireless derailleurs to start...
I'm fine with Campy's new look, but to each his own.

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And wondering what parts can be mixed between 11sp and 12 sp?

12s shifters with 11sp derals?

11sp shifters with 12 sp derals?

12 sp Crankset on 11sp groupset and vice versa?

Sorry if this is discussed allready, tried to search but not satisfactory results....

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by ParisCarbon

From what I remember reading 12 EPS shifters on 11s derailleurs wont work..
At the beginning of the season lots of Lotto Soudal riders were still on their 11s SRMs while using the 12s EPS (probably a lack of 12s chainrings).. from what I remember reading it works, but its not "optimal"

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by welchy

Has anybody used Magura MT4/6/8 hoses instead of Campy hoses or found a reasonably priced hose replacement?

I can only find Campy hoses for circa £70 each which seems ridiculous, was pretty sure the banjo was the same as magura at the lever end but wasn't 110% sure before I order..

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3Pio wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:03 am
And wondering what parts can be mixed between 11sp and 12 sp?

12s shifters with 11sp derals?

11sp shifters with 12 sp derals?

12 sp Crankset on 11sp groupset and vice versa?

Sorry if this is discussed allready, tried to search but not satisfactory results....
Rim Brake calipers, Hubs & Wheels - Yes at 100%
Derailleurs, shifters & cassettes - no
Cables & Chain - can use 12s on 11s (cables will improve 11s)
Cranksets - yes, but 12s FD optimized for 8.00mm gap found on 12s and 11sHO
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by Daniel1975

welchy wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:18 am
Has anybody used Magura MT4/6/8 hoses instead of Campy hoses or found a reasonably priced hose replacement?

I can only find Campy hoses for circa £70 each which seems ridiculous, was pretty sure the banjo was the same as magura at the lever end but wasn't 110% sure before I order..
Those prices are a very good reason for going to DuraAce after 25 years with Campy. Same for the shifter cable :-(

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by welchy

Very true, but I’m an absolute sucker for Campy :(

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can anyone tell me is it possible to use Campagnolo Chorus 11 speed chainset after 2015 version on 12 speed groupset?

I read this on bike24

Features of Campagnolo Chorus 2x12
The Q Factor remains the same (145.5mm)
The widths and biodynamics of the stroke are the same.

But I need someone more experienced to confirm it to me this mix is possible. I have great Chorus crankset and I consider buying all other 12 chorus parts to save money because 12 speed crankset itself costs almost 300 euros alone.

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by joeyb1000

cveks wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:30 pm
can anyone tell me is it possible to use Campagnolo Chorus 11 speed chainset after 2015 version on 12 speed groupset?

I read this on bike24

Features of Campagnolo Chorus 2x12
The Q Factor remains the same (145.5mm)
The widths and biodynamics of the stroke are the same.

But I need someone more experienced to confirm it to me this mix is possible. I have great Chorus crankset and I consider buying all other 12 chorus parts to save money because 12 speed crankset itself costs almost 300 euros alone.
Yes, I've used a 2015+ Chorus crankset with 12s Mechanical and 12s EPS. It works just fine. On 12s Mechanical, the 11s HO or 12s cranksets will work a little better; but maybe not enough to justify the expense. You could always upgrade the crankset later.

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joeyb1000 wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:35 pm
cveks wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:30 pm
can anyone tell me is it possible to use Campagnolo Chorus 11 speed chainset after 2015 version on 12 speed groupset?

I read this on bike24

Features of Campagnolo Chorus 2x12
The Q Factor remains the same (145.5mm)
The widths and biodynamics of the stroke are the same.

But I need someone more experienced to confirm it to me this mix is possible. I have great Chorus crankset and I consider buying all other 12 chorus parts to save money because 12 speed crankset itself costs almost 300 euros alone.
Yes, I've used a 2015+ Chorus crankset with 12s Mechanical and 12s EPS. It works just fine. On 12s Mechanical, the 11s HO or 12s cranksets will work a little better; but maybe not enough to justify the expense. You could always upgrade the crankset later.
thanks for info :beerchug:

I mainly want to upgrade to Chorus 12 speed because of 34/34 combination. Want to try that on mountain climbs in my area.

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by 3Pio

joeyb1000 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:59 pm
3Pio wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:03 am
And wondering what parts can be mixed between 11sp and 12 sp?

12s shifters with 11sp derals?

11sp shifters with 12 sp derals?

12 sp Crankset on 11sp groupset and vice versa?

Sorry if this is discussed allready, tried to search but not satisfactory results....
Rim Brake calipers, Hubs & Wheels - Yes at 100%
Derailleurs, shifters & cassettes - no
Cables & Chain - can use 12s on 11s (cables will improve 11s)
Cranksets - yes, but 12s FD optimized for 8.00mm gap found on 12s and 11sHO
So as i understund possible to adjust good enough 12sp Crankset on 11sp groupset? And what are practical expreience about this? Some chain rubbing because of 1mm difference in chain line? Or just negative things on paper but not in real, since 1mm in chainline look very minor difference....

Asking because planning to get 11sp Crankset for my 11sp Groupset, but if 12sp Crankset is good enough then maybe i'll mix 12sp Crankset with everything else 11sp....

And where to expect bigger problem: 12sp Crankset with 11sp everything else, or 11sp Crankset but 12sp everything else?


joeyb1000
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by joeyb1000

12s and 11sHO cranksets have the same dimensions: chainline out 1mm and distance between rings goes from 7.6mm to 8.0mm. I measured almost no difference in the teeth, and I experimented swapping cranksets between groups. Campagnolo’s position is that they have one crankset for everybody.
If you are on disc, you probably want an 11sHO or 12s crankset.
On rim brake, you might get a tinkling sound in the smallest chainring and smallest cog if you have a 52/36 or 50/34 if using a pre-HO crankset. This will be more likely if you have short chainstays.
You will have no problem with a 12 crankset on 11s. (FYI, the 12s chain works fine also).
The issue of using an11s crankset on mechanical 12s is that the 12s derailleur has four clicks (up from 3 on 11s), and the position of those clicks was designed for the 8.0mm gap. So, you have to spend more time playing with the barrel adjuster to get it where you like it. On EPS, you can adjust the outside chainring, so it doesn't really matter.

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