Campagnolo 12-Speed

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Butcher
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by Butcher

There are many differences between Record and SR crankset. Since this is WW, SR is 100g lighter. SR is hollow, titanium, and ceramic bearings. You may not think it's worth that much more, but some people would, which is why they priced it that way.

Will it make you faster? Probably not but when you want the best and worked hard for what you got, why not?


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by morrisond

Butcher wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:14 pm
There are many differences between Record and SR crankset. Since this is WW, SR is 100g lighter. SR is hollow, titanium, and ceramic bearings. You may not think it's worth that much more, but some people would, which is why they priced it that way.

Will it make you faster? Probably not but when you want the best and worked hard for what you got, why not?
You would have to assume the Record crank is stiffer. Would it not be?

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by CLEAR

Really indiscernible 'stiffness' between R and SR. What indeed different is the weight of the crank. Material difference can be seen through out the rest of the components of the grupset as well. All make up the weight differences even more so when added altogether

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by AJS914

Boshk wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:56 am
Record vs Super Record, the main difference is in the cult bearing in the crankset correct??
..and a little bit more carbon on the components......otherwise they are both the same?

How big of a difference are the crankset? .......price wise, its nearly 800usd difference
Super Record has lately been priced for the 'money is no object and I want the best' crowd. The extra little bits of ti and carbon are not worth it for 99.9% of riders but people buy it because it's the "best". You could always get a Chorus or Record group and install ceramic bearings for a lot less than the $800+ differential. You could also save the weight elsewhere for less money.

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by neeb

AJS914 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:21 pm
Super Record has lately been priced for the 'money is no object and I want the best' crowd. The extra little bits of ti and carbon are not worth it for 99.9% of riders but people buy it because it's the "best". You could always get a Chorus or Record group and install ceramic bearings for a lot less than the $800+ differential. You could also save the weight elsewhere for less money.
The problem though is that 12sp in general is really heavy, and unlike with 11sp, the only option that isn’t really heavy is the money-is-no-object one, i.e. SR. So if weight is a concern at all it really doesn’t make sense to “upgrade” to 12sp unless you are able and willing to fork out silly money for SR.

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by benzebub

especially since (according to the 2020 catalog posted above) the only difference between record and chorus seems to be the alloy brake levers on the chorus group, and the different crankset.
But I could be wrong

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by gorkypl

Cannot see 12sp Potenza in 2020 catalog - i wonder if they will change the catalog once they announce it, or there are no plans for introducing it.

If the latter, it would be a pity - I was really hopinig for an affordable gravel groupset from Campy. Chorus with 48x32 11-34 gearing is close, but I would really prefer alloy cranks and would not mind the lack of UltraShift.

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by benzebub

I think there will be no Potenza 12 speed in the near future. The move to a 'mostly alloy' version of Chorus makes me think that 12 speed Chorus is in between 11 speed Chorus and Potenza, 12 speed Record is in between 11 speed Chorus and Record, and 12 speed SR is in between 11 speed Record and SR in terms of materials used.
But I could be wrong

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by gorkypl

Yes, this is rather clear - they 'downgraded' the groups about 0.5-1 notch, so 12sp Record is more like older Chorus, Chorus is closer to Potenza etc. I don't consider this a wrong move, though, as the prices went down too.
Still it would be nice to have a cheaper group with alloy cranks and gravel gearing...

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by Kjetil

^There is more alloy in the Chorus rear derailleur than in the Record. There is also a less machined cassette, and the chain pins are not hollow.
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morrisond
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by morrisond

gorkypl wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:37 am
Yes, this is rather clear - they 'downgraded' the groups about 0.5-1 notch, so 12sp Record is more like older Chorus, Chorus is closer to Potenza etc. I don't consider this a wrong move, though, as the prices went down too.
Still it would be nice to have a cheaper group with alloy cranks and gravel gearing...
I'm running an FSA 46/30 Crank with Potenza and 11/32 on the back - works great for Gravel.

FSA has lots of Aluminum and Carbon Options in 46/30 cranks.

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by joeyb1000

So, what is the difference between the Chorus and Record cassettes? Is it just how the upper triples are machined? Or, is Chorus now like the quality of Potenza?

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by dgdracing

Hi I was also considering SR vs R. After comparing the weights I bought the record with SR crank, resulting in „good“ compromise wrt to weight and cost. Brakes, chain, cassette are identical anyway.


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by caballero

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned (maybe multiple times) but what’s the verdict on using SRMs and p2max etc of the 11 speed variety in conjunction with a 12s super record setup ?

I’m reading both yes and no regarding compatibility and have noticed a few pro teams are still running previous gen cranks.

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