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Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 am
by bm0p700f
135mm road bikes are on the cards. My 1991 Sannino is a race bike but the stays spring out to 135mm.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 am
by Weenie

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:26 pm
by Roel W
bm0p700f wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:29 am
The next change will be direct mount rear derailleurs according to campag. I'd expect that on the next EPs.
What do you mean with direct mount rear derailleurs?
I know direct mount brakes but not direct mount derailleurs.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:44 pm
by Miller
It's the weird new mech hanger design introduced by Shimano with DA9100. It doesn't look any more or less directly mounted than derailleurs always have been but what do I know.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm
by Roel W
Miller wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:44 pm
It's the weird new mech hanger design introduced by Shimano with DA9100. It doesn't look any more or less directly mounted than derailleurs always have been but what do I know.
So this kind of hanger:
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Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:21 pm
by g00se
The bikeradar patent serch that's been in the news was a bit of a wasted opportunity to dig a bit further. There's another campag patent on a similar date and has more details on the cassette (yes, it's dished over the spokes) and a narrower chain:

http://www.freshpatents.com/-dt20170518 ... 138439.php

If you have a look at other recent Campag patents, there's info on EPS batteries built into the mechs (wireless?), fluid-damped clutches (1-by?) and a wierd one where the EPS motor is allowed to disengage and spin with the mech cage (I think). There's also an aero through-axle with a retractable lever.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:15 pm
by bm0p700f
The move to thru axles means the direct mount RD's are a better design as instead of a hanger set into a thinner dropout out area a frame maker can use a beam/link instead so the whole interface is stiffer and the dropout is stronger. There is a good reason why it is used on MTB's and since road bikes are taking on MTB standards this will be next.

It also helps with the move to 1x11 or 12 with a 11-40T cassette which like it or roadies is the way we are going. I would like that for my race bike but currently as i have 2015 record with a 11-32T cassette and 52T single ring.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:40 pm
by ParisCarbon
Im banking on wireless 12....

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:18 am
by joejack951
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:17 am
Besides the vast majority of new bikes sold from now on will be 142mm OLD and disc-brake equipped.
142mm OLD is a bit misleading. The distance between the dropouts is only 135mm. There are 3.5mm pockets either side for the axle ends to fit into to help with thru axle installation which gets you to 142mm. You aren't gaining 6mm per side, but a mere 2.5mm just like MTBs.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:25 am
by TobinHatesYou
joejack951 wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:18 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:17 am
Besides the vast majority of new bikes sold from now on will be 142mm OLD and disc-brake equipped.
142mm OLD is a bit misleading. The distance between the dropouts is only 135mm. There are 3.5mm pockets either side for the axle ends to fit into to help with thru axle installation which gets you to 142mm. You aren't gaining 6mm per side, but a mere 2.5mm just like MTBs.

I didn’t say 142mm TA and 135mm QR were different. I know the hub shells are the same. The point is 135mm QR rim-brake hubbed bikes have no long term evolutionary path. Rim brake bikes don’t in general.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:05 am
by Nefarious86
Boost road. All the standards.

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Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:33 pm
by bm0p700f
12 speed is possible without Boost. SRAM have done it with the eagle. I do wonder what the smallest large cog is though with 12 speed on non boost hubs.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:28 am
by TobinHatesYou
MTB Eagle uses XD freehubs, which are no wider than current a Shimano 11spd freehubs. Not sure why everyone is hinting at wider OLDs. If anything it’s road bottom brackets that have needed to be wider since disc standardized on 135mm.

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:16 pm
by XCProMD
Late April is going to be interesting.

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Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:12 pm
by Ritxis
XCProMD wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:16 pm
Late April is going to be interesting.

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Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:49 pm
by dgasmd
XCProMD wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:16 pm
Late April is going to be interesting
Doubt it, but time will tell.

I think the changes as of late in a lot of the new stuff coming out over th elast few years is simply for the sake of offering something new and not necessarily better, but what do I know.

Still holding out for wireless 11 Sp EPS that is almost entirely tuned with an app. When it comes out I'll switch all my bikes. As pointed out above, going to a mechanic, at least in all the parts of the US where I have lived and mentioning Campagnolo is like talking about the Devil in church. Everybody hates it because they are not well trained in it and don't see it often. Matter of fact, I went to a shop last week in a very affluent area of South FL that caters to racers and such and asked if they work on Campy. The answer was "yeah, we could figure out something. But you might want to switch son because I hear they are going out of business in the next couple of months". Walked out 5 secs later shaking my head :noidea:

Re: Campagnolo 12-Speed

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:49 pm
by Weenie