Campagnolo 12-Speed

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mag
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by mag

Yes crankset is definitely Power2Max which still exist with the 11s design.
And I don't really like the way the rear brake cable is guided from the top tube to brake calipers, however there aren't probably much better options available on that frame.


RussellS
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by RussellS

ultimobici wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:26 am
Aside from the fact that EPS12 has only just been seen in the wild, any rider with half a brain won’t change to an untested component when they are still contesting major race targets.
What makes you think Valverde or any pro cyclist has any say at all in what equipment they use? Unless its a private deal they do on the side for some equipment. But frames, groups, wheels, jerseys, shorts, helmets are supplied by their emplyer. They have no say. Shoes the riders negotiate their own contract. Imagine if a UPS or FedEx driver showed up to work and said I will only drive a Ford powered truck. And UPS or FedEx used Chevy or Benz powered trucks. That employee would be fired instantly. And I am sure MoviStar would fire Valverde too. They would prevent him from riding/racing for the remainder of the season or two and not pay him. The Pittsburgh Steelers running back Bell was in a dispute with the team. He did not show up to play. They did not pay him. And now he cannot play the rest of this year. No matter how fabulous a player thinks he is, the team is the boss. MoviStar owns Valverde. If Campagnolo told MoviStar to use 12 speed, then MoviStar would use 12 speed. And Valverde would ride it or he would be out of a job and most likely his career would be over since he is so old now.

Now I will admit I forgot electronic 12 speed is not out yet. So that is the real reason MoviStar and Valverde still use electronic 11 speed. Old stuff.

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by AJS914

If Campagnolo told MoviStar to use 12 speed, then MoviStar would use 12 speed.
What makes you think that Campagnolo has this level of power over Movistar?

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by mattr

chorus88 wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:18 pm
Really, a 1998 Shimano freehub that accepts a 11 speed cassette? :noidea:
Well, yeah, except for that bit. Though my ~20 year old mavics take an 11 speed cassette. And have no marks.

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Thats because Mavic rear wheels were redesigned to the then new Campagnolo geometry for 9-speed. The freehub for Shimano of course had to be as wide as the one for Campag. The rest is spacers and of course good choice of metal for the freehub.
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RussellS wrote:
ultimobici wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:26 am
Aside from the fact that EPS12 has only just been seen in the wild, any rider with half a brain won’t change to an untested component when they are still contesting major race targets.
What makes you think Valverde or any pro cyclist has any say at all in what equipment they use? Unless its a private deal they do on the side for some equipment. But frames, groups, wheels, jerseys, shorts, helmets are supplied by their emplyer. They have no say. Shoes the riders negotiate their own contract. Imagine if a UPS or FedEx driver showed up to work and said I will only drive a Ford powered truck. And UPS or FedEx used Chevy or Benz powered trucks. That employee would be fired instantly. And I am sure MoviStar would fire Valverde too. They would prevent him from riding/racing for the remainder of the season or two and not pay him. The Pittsburgh Steelers running back Bell was in a dispute with the team. He did not show up to play. They did not pay him. And now he cannot play the rest of this year. No matter how fabulous a player thinks he is, the team is the boss. MoviStar owns Valverde. If Campagnolo told MoviStar to use 12 speed, then MoviStar would use 12 speed. And Valverde would ride it or he would be out of a job and most likely his career would be over since he is so old now.

Now I will admit I forgot electronic 12 speed is not out yet. So that is the real reason MoviStar and Valverde still use electronic 11 speed. Old stuff.
Movistar, Campagnolo are European companies. Furthermore Campag is not a employer, just a sponsor.

Campag’s newest is 12 mechanical but Movistar prefers EPS. And EPS is still in prototype stage for 12s.

Remember Ullrich and his frankenergopowers, with the gen 1 body and gen 2 10s internals? Campag didn’t gave a toss, and Telekom was their biggest gig in the pro peloton at the time.


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by mikesamborey

An other one of Erviti bike with EPS 12

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Ask him to turn it around!


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by ParisCarbon

For anyone wondering about the labeling of the "12" on the crank, P2Max had responded to me and I never noticed, but the crank arms will have the "12" label and be available early in the new year...

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by mikesamborey

ultimobici wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:32 pm
Ask him to turn it around!
If only i could :P

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RussellS wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:20 pm
ultimobici wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:26 am
Aside from the fact that EPS12 has only just been seen in the wild, any rider with half a brain won’t change to an untested component when they are still contesting major race targets.
What makes you think Valverde or any pro cyclist has any say at all in what equipment they use? Unless its a private deal they do on the side for some equipment. But frames, groups, wheels, jerseys, shorts, helmets are supplied by their emplyer. They have no say. Shoes the riders negotiate their own contract. Imagine if a UPS or FedEx driver showed up to work and said I will only drive a Ford powered truck. And UPS or FedEx used Chevy or Benz powered trucks. That employee would be fired instantly. And I am sure MoviStar would fire Valverde too. They would prevent him from riding/racing for the remainder of the season or two and not pay him. The Pittsburgh Steelers running back Bell was in a dispute with the team. He did not show up to play. They did not pay him. And now he cannot play the rest of this year. No matter how fabulous a player thinks he is, the team is the boss. MoviStar owns Valverde. If Campagnolo told MoviStar to use 12 speed, then MoviStar would use 12 speed. And Valverde would ride it or he would be out of a job and most likely his career would be over since he is so old now.

Now I will admit I forgot electronic 12 speed is not out yet. So that is the real reason MoviStar and Valverde still use electronic 11 speed. Old stuff.
Riders in many European teams, within boundaries, have more say than you might think in what equipment they use. Team managements are, broadly, responsive to strongly held views, especially by key riders - and work with riders and sponsors to keep the team functional.

That doesn't mean that a rider can say "well, the team may be sponsored by "x" but I am going to use "y" but it does mean that riders can sometimes express a strong preference for specific items from a sponsors range if an accommodation can be reached with the sponsor.

Team managements have to manage risk (so they may have an opinion as to whether to employ a new piece of kit or not and the extent of the risk that represents) but they also have to be responsive to the requirements of a sponsor as well ... in many ProTour teams, the frame and equipment sponsors are not only providing hardware but they may also contribute to the cash budget, either directly or indirectly. That will also have it's influence.

Everyone involved understands that part of the job of a sponsored team is to test-bed new technologies or other "what if" scenarios, which is why looking at what kit the pros use is not necessarily a good indicator of what, as consumers, would be a good idea.

Sponsorship is a two-way street and both the teams and the sponsors are aware of the symbiosis ...
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by mikesamborey

ultimobici wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:32 pm
Ask him to turn it around!
I have tried.
Here his answer:
😅😅🧐🧐 no, no es posible... aun!
Es un grupo de prueba pero tranquilo, creo que pronto saldrá a la vista.
It's a test group. He couldn't see more for the moment. But soon we could see it.

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by Devastazione

Here is my C64 newly upgraded to record 12s. Not sure if the topic conversation is appropriate at the moment to allow such a pic but I can’t go back 81 pages lol...sorry..
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by ParisCarbon

Devastazione wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:22 pm
Here is my C64 newly upgraded to record 12s. Not sure if the topic conversation is appropriate at the moment to allow such a pic but I can’t go back 81 pages lol...sorry..
Nice lookin ride!!


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by ParisCarbon

mikesamborey wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:14 pm
ultimobici wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:32 pm
Ask him to turn it around!
I have tried.
Here his answer:
😅😅🧐🧐 no, no es posible... aun!
Es un grupo de prueba pero tranquilo, creo que pronto saldrá a la vista.
It's a test group. He couldn't see more for the moment. But soon we could see it.
hahaha Ive been trying to hit up individual teams/riders on campy on twitter for pix.... have seen nothing.. campy is obviously keeping the screws turned down on this one!

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