Campagnolo 12-Speed

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If they change the entire mens team (average world tour team has ~30 riders according to procyclingstats) you're looking at a bare minimum of 80 road bikes to swap. Even with a production line style swap you'll be looking at a bare minimum of 120 hours labour, probably nearer 150.
More realistically there will be probably 100+ road bikes and another 30+ low profiles. So you're talking probably knocking on for 300 hours labour. And 150 groupsets. $$$$$

It's a lot of work. A lot of money.

Teams have done it before. It's usually been a problem. They have better things to do mid season.

(Can't remember who it was, but one team had two or three riders on 10 speed and the rest on 9, for a few of the classics when 10 first came out, that was a "bit of an issue" can't think of anyone at that level who has done it since.)

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RussellS wrote:I cannot understand why the current World Champion is not using Campagnolo's latest and greates bestest groupset. Why is the current World Champion on a now ten year old, discounted, marked down, clearance table groupset? Does anyone at Campagnolo have their SH-T together? Apparently not.
Aside from the fact that EPS12 has only just been seen in the wild, any rider with half a brain won’t change to an untested component when they are still contesting major race targets. Remember Valverde was up there at Lombardia.



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Yeah, thats the other thing, it's a WC race. To finish first, first you must finish.

Which means reliable kit, plenty of compatibility (punctures etc) and familiarity.

I'd not entertain swapping anything other than consumables for a big event like that

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Hence the reason Sram used the Micky Mouse race in Saitama to try out Etap 12


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Campag 9-speed was launched in 97 or 98. 20+ years for the current freehub body, alas.
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Kjetil wrote:Campag 9-speed was launched in 97 or 98. 20+ years for the current freehub body, alas.
Indicating it was a solid design at the outset. In the same time Shimano have had how many changes and still it has issues!


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@RussellS

Most Movistar Team wants only EPS. If its 11 or 12 speeds, they don’t give a toss.


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Erviti at training this morning. It seems that it is EPS 12 view the shifter and rear derailleur is electronic

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ultimobici wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:49 am
In the same time Shimano have had how many changes and still it has issues!
3 since the inception of the freehub i think. And what issues? Shimano freehubs are durable and functional.

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Take a look at the splines of an older hub. They’ll invariably have indentations from the smaller loose sprockets.

Conversely I was using a set of Record Ti 9 speed hubs from the late 90s on the original freehub with 11 speed. No problem fitting & removing the cassette.




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mikesamborey wrote:Erviti at training this morning. It seems that it is EPS 12 view the shifter and rear derailleur is electronic

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Yes, and finally with the new Embrace 3D RD geometry like the mech 12 version, unlike the 12 EPS prototypes previously spotted

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ultimobici wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:58 pm
Conversely I was using a set of Record Ti 9 speed hubs from the late 90s on the original freehub with 11 speed. No problem fitting & removing the cassette.
Which is exactly my experience with shimano hubs. Some of which are 20+ years old.

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Crankarm has long white writing on it, meaning it is 2015?

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mattr wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:57 pm
ultimobici wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:58 pm
Conversely I was using a set of Record Ti 9 speed hubs from the late 90s on the original freehub with 11 speed. No problem fitting & removing the cassette.
Which is exactly my experience with shimano hubs. Some of which are 20+ years old.
Really, a 1998 Shimano freehub that accepts a 11 speed cassette? :noidea:


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Alexandrumarian wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:05 pm
Crankarm has long white writing on it, meaning it is 2015?
It didnt sound like there was going to be a redesign of the SRM or P2Max Pwrmeters, and they will resuse the arms that have been used the past years... it will need a 12s ring though... hopefully they are rebadeged accordingly to "12"

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