Campagnolo 12-Speed

[corky]

There's a review of EPS 12sp in the current edition of UK magazine Cycling Plus. I picked up a couple of nuggets of new info from it:
- the latest version of the disc caliper has revised brake pads that include a mechanical return spring that 'guarantees' 0.4mm rotor clearance.

This the kind of development that disc brake design needs, fingers crossed it’s effective........

[1llum4]

@miller - did it sound like the pad was retro compatible ?

I've read that the caliper hasn't changed at all - so a updated pad maybe useable across existing 11v offerings ?

Caliper design hasn't changed at all. If you actually buy third party brake pads for campy disc they will come with a metal return spring. So the new official brake pads with return spring are compatible with all campagnolo disc caliper. They are the same pads shape as magura 2 piston caliper.

[corky]

@miller - did it sound like the pad was retro compatible ?

I've read that the caliper hasn't changed at all - so a updated pad maybe useable across existing 11v offerings ?

Caliper design hasn't changed at all. If you actually buy third party brake pads for campy disc they will come with a metal return spring. So the new official brake pads with return spring are compatible with all campagnolo disc caliper. They are the same pads shape as magura 2 piston caliper.

Are you confusing metal pad retaining springs with return springs?

[morrisond]

Something different from Campag's patents:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190113123.pdf

A 12-speed 10-42 cassette? New spider-freehub design... It may be that this is just a patent to ensure they dont get boxed in with future disigns from SRAM and Shimano, but the detail of the diagrams looks quite specific.

That looks like 1x Gravel! Yeh!

Hopefully that comes with new Chorus.

Anything new on Chorus's potential May release?

[colagreek]

Pics of the new internal DTI v4, very sharp.

[andreas]

Can the new floating rotor be used on Shimano systems?

[1llum4]

Are you confusing metal pad retaining springs with return springs?

Nope, I am talking about return spring, not the retaining clip.

Can the new floating rotor be used on Shimano systems?

IIRC Sram/Shimano/Campy uses 1.8 or 1.85mm thickness rotors so cross-compatibility is possible.

[Miller]

Caliper design hasn't changed at all. If you actually buy third party brake pads for campy disc they will come with a metal return spring. So the new official brake pads with return spring are compatible with all campagnolo disc caliper. They are the same pads shape as magura 2 piston caliper.

I bought some 3rd party pads and they did not come with a return spring. They're retained magnetically like Campag originals.
Not saying others don't come with a return spring, of course.

[bruno2000]

Caliper design hasn't changed at all. If you actually buy third party brake pads for campy disc they will come with a metal return spring. So the new official brake pads with return spring are compatible with all campagnolo disc caliper. They are the same pads shape as magura 2 piston caliper.

I bought some 3rd party pads and they did not come with a return spring. They're retained magnetically like Campag originals.
Not saying others don't come with a return spring, of course.

The 12spd brakecalipers come with a new shaped brakepad, including a spring.
The magnetical system is still the same but the springs aids the brakepads to return quicker to their start-position.
You can both use the 'old' brakepads and the new brakepads on all brakecalipers 11 and 12spd.
For 3rd party brakepads, they probably are the 'old' shape and without spring.
As a running change Campagnolo also started to deliver their brakesystems pro-bleeded like shimano does.

[Miller]

As a running change Campagnolo also started to deliver their brakesystems pro-bleeded like shimano does.

Thanks for the good info. About being pre-bleeded, what practical difference does that make?

[kytyree]

Now we'll know it's 100% our fault when the brakes are spongy!

[Kjetil]

Ha! Post of the day.

[bruno2000]

As a running change Campagnolo also started to deliver their brakesystems pro-bleeded like shimano does.

Thanks for the good info. About being pre-bleeded, what practical difference does that make?

It mean you do not need to fill the cablee with oil anymore.
You just cut the cable in the correct length, insert the needle and connect it to the brakecaliper.
Same way as the Shimano brakes.
difference iswith shimano you connect the cable to the brakelever.

[mikesamborey]

New Chorus 12v is here: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/campagno ... -groupset/

[corky]

New Chorus 12v is here: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/campagno ... -groupset/

Think they’ve been lazy with not redesigning the rim brake callipers.......