Pedals which use pros

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Shmitt
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by Shmitt

I notice, that no one in peleton use keywin pedals. Why is that? It is only because teams are sponsored by pedal manufactures, or because Keywin do not as good as what they use?
Another question - if riders has individual contract with shoe company (some of them) why there is no Keywin in peleton?

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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Some part sponsorship, some part familiarity/availability/compatibility. If you need to use a neutral service bike or a teammate's bike, you'd better not be on Keywin pedals.

With a few exceptions, most pros really aren't that picky about pedal systems. One example, Wiggo used Speedplays on Team Sky when everyone else used SPD-SL.

AJS914
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by AJS914

Only a handful of riders can get an individual shoe contract. A small company like Keywin can't afford the Peter Sagan's of the world.

Shmitt
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by Shmitt

Speedplay was also more common in the past, now practicly shimano and look.
I think is important to pedals manufactures, so if pedals "surrvive" in races they are good for us, customers.

BdaGhisallo
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by BdaGhisallo

All about the dollars. Shimano tie the use of their pedals in with their groupset sponsorship. They want everything - components, pedals, bars, stems, wheels and the like. There's no room for a small company like Keywin*, even if they were the best pedal known to man, to get a look in even if they wanted to spend the money that would be required.
Keywin used to sponsor some teams in the US some years back - usually the one that Kiwi Graeme Millar was racing for.


* Keywin is basically a one man company. Founder and designer John Winkie is the man at the helm.

ancker
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by ancker

Never heard of Keywin until this thread, but now I'm super confused.

"Gram for gram, the competition is off the back
The Keywin Carbon as a complete system (that's everything) comes in at just 200 grams."

Then their own table:
Keywin Carbon Chrome Moly: 299g
Speedplay Nanogram Zero: 284g (with 3 hole adaptor)
Time iClic Titan: 254g
Look Keo Blade Carbon: 258g
Shimano Dure-Ace Carbon: 320g

Uhh, how is that just 200 grams? 299 is more than 284/254/258, right? And the new DA9100 pedals are 305g with cleats/hardware.
So is it 200g or 299g? And why does the table show you in 4th out of 5 in terms of weight?

Also: "At 14mm of total stack Keywin lets you step on it. Keeping the rider's foot close to the pedal provides maximum power and control."
And their table:
Keywin: 14mm
Speedplay: 8.5mm before adding 3 hole adaptor
Look: 15.7mm
Shimano: 14.4mm

First, that claim sounds fishy. Lower stack improves power? Hmm?
Second, only 0.4 lower than Shimano (DA9100 is actually 8.8mm). And higher than Speedplay.

I just don't understand. The website makes these claims, but then their own data says they aren't as good as the competition...

The adjustable float thing does seem kinda cool, though.

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BdaGhisallo
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by BdaGhisallo

The titanium axled Keywin pedals is the one that they are quoting that weight number for.

Shimano's full stack height is not 8.8mm - that is the distance from the center line of the axle to the surface of the pedal and does not include the thickness of the cleat. And most Speedplay users employ the 3 hole adaptor these days as there are very few shoes made with Speedplay soles any more.

And the benefits of lower pedal stack height have been touted by virtually every company other than Look, whose stack height has always been the highest. It's a marketing claim without too much scientific justification that I have ever seen.

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