tour mag aero test 2018
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the problem with specialized with the huge price disparity between new tarmac vs giant/trek/canyon. sorry if you don't get a 'bro' deal specialized are not competive.
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It’s almost like some companies aim for different demographics and markets.
Markets are not monolithic.
Markets are not monolithic.
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Pretty sure on another thread you said you thought the SL6 was a disappointing ride and that it didn't feel as though it accelerated very well (or something along those lines)...ichobi wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 11:15 amI used to ride specialized hate wagon but after riding sl6 (bough it myself) and interviewing peter denk the guy behind the design, i change my view completely. ...
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Sl6 is really good compared to other top model from competing brands. I cant say the same for their older bikes. The Vias rim rode well but has too many compromises.
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That was Cipollini new RB1K. If i said anything about SL6 acceleration, it's a tad slower than some climby bike like Specialissima, as to be expected from slim and truncated downtube, but in no way disaponiting. But let's get back to the aero topic.
I guess the aero topic will be more interesting with the next test again.
What we learned: Always check, which wheel/tire combo is used as it has a great influence, and tube shape (Kamm tail) seems to improve aerodynamics more than pure tube width (and wide square downtubes assure worst aerodynamics).
Edit: There was a typo in Tour Mag. 3/2018, the Rose X-Lite Four was 222 watts not 212... So one watt more than the Tarmac SL and that makes more sense to me.
What we learned: Always check, which wheel/tire combo is used as it has a great influence, and tube shape (Kamm tail) seems to improve aerodynamics more than pure tube width (and wide square downtubes assure worst aerodynamics).
Edit: There was a typo in Tour Mag. 3/2018, the Rose X-Lite Four was 222 watts not 212... So one watt more than the Tarmac SL and that makes more sense to me.
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Whatever the variations in test methodology, they were probably close to the end of the scale that was optimal for the F10 in that particular test earlier that got a lot of Pinarello fanboys excited.
It's just not in the same ballpark as true aerobikes. More of an all-arounder with some nods to aero like SL6 or R5. Super competent bike but not an aerobike.
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things are getting close though. the F10 is marketed as a bike that does everything well and has possibly more advanced aero features than the generic climbing bikes. generationally the latest Ultimate cf slx/ R5/Tarmac are all iterations of the climbing bike, that have more aero features than bikes of 2-3 years ago.
Whatever the variations in test methodology, they were probably close to the end of the scale that was optimal for the F10 in that particular test earlier that got a lot of Pinarello fanboys excited.
It's just not in the same ballpark as true aerobikes. More of an all-arounder with some nods to aero like SL6 or R5. Super competent bike but not an aerobike.
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things are getting close though. the F10 is marketed as a bike that does everything well and has possibly more advanced aero features than the generic climbing bikes. generationally the latest Ultimate cf slx/ R5/Tarmac are all iterations of the climbing bike, that have more aero features than bikes of 2-3 years ago.
Tour also tested the Pinarello Gan and it too had pretty much the same aero results as the F10.
It's tough to draw any real conclusions from the Tour tests since their conditions seem to change a bit each time but they do often include a Canyon Aeroad in the tests so it's a reasonable benchmark to compare others by. The Gan was tested in the same issue as the Allez Sprint. Gan had near identical numbers to the Aeroad, the Allez Sprint was about 8-10w higher across the board when fitted with the 404's but would get a bit closer at low yaw if it was fitted with an aero handlebar.
It's tough to draw any real conclusions from the Tour tests since their conditions seem to change a bit each time but they do often include a Canyon Aeroad in the tests so it's a reasonable benchmark to compare others by. The Gan was tested in the same issue as the Allez Sprint. Gan had near identical numbers to the Aeroad, the Allez Sprint was about 8-10w higher across the board when fitted with the 404's but would get a bit closer at low yaw if it was fitted with an aero handlebar.
Are your translating through google or similar? Rad can mean both bike and wheel.
lots of good wheels...3T Discus 60 ! but it's ~200g more then CLX50... so I still like CLX50 for weight and aeroness.
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2023 Pivot E-Vault - completed project, full Xplr package
Tour issue 1/19 features an aero special with a bike test - 10k€ and 3k€ models.
- Cannondale SystemSix, Madone SLR 9, Noah Fast, Cervélo S5 and S-Works Venge
- Giant Propel Advanced 2, Specialized Allez Sprint an Lambda Racing
The Giant seems to be quite good.
- Cannondale SystemSix, Madone SLR 9, Noah Fast, Cervélo S5 and S-Works Venge
- Giant Propel Advanced 2, Specialized Allez Sprint an Lambda Racing
The Giant seems to be quite good.
I don't believe you! Prove it!Beaver wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:07 pmTour issue 1/19 features an aero special with a bike test - 10k€ and 3k€ models.
- Cannondale SystemSix, Madone SLR 9, Noah Fast, Cervélo S5 and S-Works Venge
- Giant Propel Advanced 2, Specialized Allez Sprint an Lambda Racing
The Giant seems to be quite good.
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I hate it but I agree. I love Spesh bikes and have had a bunch of them, but the prices have gotten insane over the competition. I wanted a Tarmac Disc, but even with a 30% off deal, it was still slightly more money than a Canyon Aeroad built up with the same kit. I really really wanted the Venge Pro, but that was even more expensive. Almost double the price of my Aeroad!