Based on their quote "....cut a massive 400+ grams making this one of the lightest and best riding steel racing frames in the world."
They would need to be something like .... frame / fork right at 1250g / 250g or 1500g total
this is like walking into a bentley dealership and complaining about how expensive everything is. Being expensive and exclusive is the point. If you want the best bang for the buck, you have a lot of options, and speedvagen isn't trying to compete with any of them
It probably won't be me, but admittedly I ride cheap-but-functional
Sometime the whole marketing plan is "If we charge this much for it, people will think it must be worth this much."
Superlight + harsh climate protection ~ 1740g (frame only)
Actually, that's exactly opposite of the reason why Speedvagen was born out of the Vanilla workshop. Feel free to try again.
My point was SV was already priced a little steep against the likes of Breadwinner and English (who are 10-90 minutes away from the SV shop) not to mention a number of builders across North America. My concern is now they'll be reaching for Baum pricing rather than even trying to be competitive with the majority of the players who show up to NAHBS.
But the actual bikes are horrible. Characterless is one way to describe them; you'll rarely find one specced with components chosen for a specific reason, just those that cost the most. Generally Dura Ace/Super Record and Enve everything else.
Then there's the painted to match stems/seatposts/pumps/mudguards; it all looks far too "modular" or "fuselage" too much in the style of a carbon Trek or Specialized, not a style befitting a nice steel frame.
I'd take something like a Tommasini everyday. They look more like a bicycle with a nice paint job rather than a Warhol copy that you can also go for a ride on.
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While that was the original intent, I think it's morphed far than that. It was supposed to be batch produced in standard size as a contrast to the bespoke vanilla. Now vanilla - to my knowledge - doesn't even exist (are they still building out the backlog?) and the SV can be "fully customized".
Seems like the SV now costs as much as a typical Vanilla did when I saw them at the first ever NAHBS in Houston. So that would put them in a pretty exclusive club
you said it. he has, imo, realized what so many other builders have failed to realize: flourishes and paint jobs matter far more than most would care to admit.
I think his business acumen is supplemented by the fact that he's got a good eye for bicycle paint jobs and vanity flourishes.
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