Di2: which mode do you use?

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TonyM
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by TonyM

Hi,

I am using Di2 for a few weeks now and I really love it. I have now biked the last weeks on the semi synchro mode and I actually like it better than I would have thought. I still have to test the full synchro mode however. Too bad there is not also another mode with the semi synchro and the full synchro together.

Which mode do you use? Manual, semi synchro or full synchro? and why?
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by pdlpsher1

I use the manual mode. This is because a lot of time my speed is either slowing or increasing at a high rate (i.e. riding on rolling terrain). By using the manual mode, I can anticipate the rapid speed changes and shift to the proper gear accordingly. For example, I'm going into a hill at rapid speed. But I'm going to slow down rapidly due to the hill. I would shift from the big to the small ring, and instead of down shifting the rear into 2-3 higher gears compensate the change in cadence, I only shift to one harder gear. This saves me the effort and the time delays of shifting into 2-3 harder gears, then having to shift again to an easier gear due to my rapid deceleration. In a nutshell I feel better having full control since Di2 can't anticipate changing conditions as well as I can.

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by bomber

Having spent a bit of time using all the modes I have reverted to manual similar to the other post as all my rides are rolling and I find it easier to match my gears that way.
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by 2old4this

Same here. Call me old fashioned but I seriously don't like the synchro modes. They confuse me.

On short hills, where i know cross chaining for 10 secs is OK, when the front switches, it breaks my rhythm. I guess it is "old habits die hard".

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by Calnago

There's another thread that started out about the inability to crosschain and inevitably drifted to some discussion about synchroshift... Here's the link if you want the complete context...
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=148743&hilit=synchroshift#p1362663


Somewhere in it I wrote this...

Personally, given the choice (which Shimano doesn't anymore) I like having all combinations available to me all the time. While I don't particularly like @RussellS's scenario of dropping to the small ring when you're in the small cog and big ring there are numerous other scenarios where a "bad gear combination" might be preferred, albeit just for a very brief time. And in @RussellS's case, if that's what he likes then why limit him. I'm sure he doesn't ride cross chained on a regular basis or for any length of time. He is conscious of what he is doing and fully aware of the pitfalls, but for that brief scenario, it's a welcome option. However, there are people, probably not many if any on this site, that don't realize anything about the pitfalls of crosschaining and so Shimano, rather than require these people to attend a course called "Shifting for Idiots" has, in their wisdom, just designed a system where the "Shifting for Idiots" course is not required. Yay, for the idiots. But I like to decide for myself how I like to use the gears at my disposal.

Imagine for a second if the current state of gears/derailleurs etc. had, from the beginning, never allowed us to cross chain the small ring to the either of the two smallest cogs at the rear. It would be something we just always lived with. Now imagine if a new system came out and was marketed where they said... "Now you have access to those two previously unavailable cogs no matter which chainring you are on". Pretty sure everyone, would go "Awesome!! Now, (in the case of a 36/52 crankset) when I'm cruising along in 36/13 and want just a bit more gear for little while for whatever reason, instead of having to shift to the big ring and shift up to the 17 cog, all I have to do is click into the 12 and voila, I'm there. Brilliant!!" (36/12 is pretty much the same gear as 52/17). No one is saying that you should ride in that combo for extended periods, but for those scenarios when you just want a quick snap, it's there much quicker than having to change both the front ring and the rear by several cogs.

Then there is now Synchro Shift and Semi Synchroshift. Aaach... Again, shifting for dummies candidates step right up. Which version would you like?... because you can't have it all, at least not anymore. At what shift points would you like the front to automatically shift for you? Decide now, because if you want different shift points we'll have to hook you up to E-Tube and change things. Or maybe you'd just like the rear to shift automatically when you shift between front rings. Oh, but how many cogs would you like it to shift automatically when you change front rings... 1, 2, 3, or even 4? But you can only choose one of those multishifts, or none, but please decide now cuz we're not hooking you up to e-tube while out on the ride.
Big/Big is another useful combo, say when cresting a slight hill that wasn't steep enough to drop into the small ring for that last little bit. And while that combo is available in non-synchro mode, it is not available in Synchroshift by default... you have to again go into E-tube to allow that.

Now, comparing this to my Campy Mechanical (and this is not a campy/shimano discussion, simply a shifting discussion)...
Every combination and every scenario that is available in either Synchroshift, or Semi-Synchroshift, or Non-Synchroshift is always at my disposal, instantaneously. Simulataneous shifts front and rear as fast as I can think it... and the choice of how many rear cogs I want to move along with the front shift is totally up to me, right there and then... again, so fast, and so easy. It's about being familiar with your bike and how to shift it. And every combo is available to me without any rub, either on the front derailleur or on the inner side of the big chainring when crossed in small/small, although I admit small/small is a combo I never use, but the point is I could and it would work.

Just more food for thought... Is Synchroshift an innovation?...Yes. Is it an innovation that makes riding your bike more or less pleasant and/or efficient? The answer is not so clear. For me it is definitely No.
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by MoreRideTime

I leave my bike in full-synchro mode. I still have the ability to shift the front derailleur myself if I choose to. The only shift that I really notice is going from the big ring to the small ring on the front. All other shifts are so smooth that I barely notice anything. I was skeptical on the whole synchro thing but I forced myself to try it out and it has stuck.

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by toiyuet

I don't like the synchro mode from day 1 Shimano introduce it, I didn't upgrade to new battery neither.

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TonyM
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by TonyM

What would be the disadvantage of the full synchro compared to the manual?

No possibility to cross chain in case you want to go for a cross chain combo for a few seconds for example?

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by Lelandjt

No shame in still using manual. Just like a manual car, if the actions are so ingrained that it's subconsious and you never make a mistake, why bother using auto? I've found that syncro is GREAT for newer riders though and a lot of my tandem customers love it.

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TonyM wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:28 am
What would be the disadvantage of the full synchro compared to the manual?

No possibility to cross chain in case you want to go for a cross chain combo for a few seconds for example?
Let's say you are riding on a gentle hill and you want to increase your speed a tad. You shift into a harder gear but that triggers a shift into the big ring and 3-4 shifts on the rear cassette. You ride for 30 seconds and then you get tired. You shift into an easier gear and that triggers a shift into the small ring and 3-4 shifts on the rear cassette. As you become rested you want to increase your speed again. It would be very annoying to have all these shifts if you happen to be riding along at a speed where it triggers a front shift.

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by Delorre

With the new bike, I set up the 2 (semi) auto modes, tested them during a few rides, but reverted to manual. There were always situations where Iwished I had full control, esp in semi-synchro. You can simulate semi-synchro by pressing the front and rear mech changing buttons in the same time, forcing DI2 to shift front and back at the same time. You hav rto press 2 buttons instead of 1, but other than that, I really don't see the advantages of demi-synchro. Full synchro is not bad, but there also, sometimes, the bike does something other that what you would do...

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by snowdevlin

I tried the synchro modes a few times, but always returned back to manual mode.
Synchro shifts don’t just shift as fast.

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by ooo

Synchro is very usable with audio support, but it is only possible with mtb di2 parts
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by jj911c2

I prefer the semi-synchro mode but customize to make the rear cassette change a single grear change (default is 2). I like cresting a hill and shifting to the big ring w/o it being such a big change in ratio.

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by IrrelevantD

having tested all three, I'm back to manual.

I absolutely hated full-synchro. I just couldn't leave changing the chainring to the system or having it shift the ring when I wasn't expecting.

I gave semi-synchro about a week, but ended up not liking it either. My biggest problem with semi is the speed and order that it would shift the cogs when switching rings and there's no way to adjust it. It just shifted too slow, and I always found myself adjusting cogs after the shift anyway. As I recall, semi shifts the ring first, then the cogs. I always go to the big ring before shifting to easier cogs but I do it near simultaneously and as I recall, even at it's fastest settings, semi-synchro had too much of a delay. Conversely, I typically shift to harder cogs before dropping to the small ring and I remember semi-synchro doing the opposite. Either way, I couldn't get used to it and gave up on it.
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