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Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:37 am
by TonyM
lord_brush wrote:I'm giving some thought to just sticking the normal 3 port box under the bloody stem Image
No. Much nicer on the handlebar!
And if you don’t sprint drill the holes.

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:01 am
by lord_brush
I guess I'm just a bit concerned as more than one person has mentioned the words "if you don't sprint", regarding drilling the holes.

Although I'm by no means a "sprinter", I am going to be racing on these and as such, will be putting a fair amount of force on the bars ie, this isn't just a recreational build.

Is there any particular method to drilling bars like these? Does the bit need to be kept cool or anything?

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:01 am
by Weenie

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:25 am
by pdlpsher1
A hole is just a hole. Make it just large enough for the cable. It should be around 3mm if I recall.

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:56 pm
by lord_brush
Ok, bars drilled (ffs!). 3mm doesn't cut it either for the one side that's going to accept two etubes! No way you can fit the end of an etube thru a 3mm hole when there's already a wire passing thru.

Anyway... My latest thinking is:

Individual shifter wires exiting the (factory), hole at the rear centre of the bar

D-Fly connecting these two wires and hidden in the Vibe stem.

Long (prob 1400mm), tube from BB to left shifter

Bar end to right shifter

(I figure i need a slightly longer wire for one of the shifters to enable a not too tight loop back from within the stem.

Question is, will the DFly transmit ok thru the aluminium? It's going to be very close to the receiver (Bolt), so figure this will be ok?

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:35 am
by pdlpsher1
There's absolutely no need to pass two wires through a single hole. The long wire should be routed externally, just like the brake cable. There's no reason to hide the long wire inside the bar. The wire will be under the bar tape. Then connect a wire from one shifter to the bar end junction using the drilled hole. Then one wire from the bar end junction to the other shifter using the 2nd drilled hole. If you are going to add a climbing shifter the wire for that will be external as well. So there's really no need to pass two wires through a single hole. You will need a total of two drilled holes, one near each shifter.

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:57 pm
by lord_brush
As an aside, I've just received an EW-WU111 Dfly transmitter (the new in-line one)

Will this work if I couple it up with two 300/350 wires in the chainstay, or does it have to be a bit close to the receiver/ computer?

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:07 pm
by dricked
pdlpsher1 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:35 am
There's absolutely no need to pass two wires through a single hole. The long wire should be routed externally, just like the brake cable. There's no reason to hide the long wire inside the bar. The wire will be under the bar tape. Then connect a wire from one shifter to the bar end junction using the drilled hole. Then one wire from the bar end junction to the other shifter using the 2nd drilled hole. If you are going to add a climbing shifter the wire for that will be external as well. So there's really no need to pass two wires through a single hole. You will need a total of two drilled holes, one near each shifter.
I’ve got two wires on each side of my bars on the outside of the drops. There was no other way of doing it and I’m using the PRO vibe di2 bars. One wire from right shifter to J/A bar end, J/A over to other side of bars with J/B, J/B to left bar. The R785 shifters only have one port and unless I wanted the external J/A there was no other option I could figure out.

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:35 pm
by LiquidCooled
dricked wrote: I’ve got two wires on each side of my bars on the outside of the drops. There was no other way of doing it and I’m using the PRO vibe di2 bars. One wire from right shifter to J/A bar end, J/A over to other side of bars with J/B, J/B to left bar. The R785 shifters only have one port and unless I wanted the external J/A there was no other option I could figure out.
Have you thought about the JC130 (the di2 y-connector cable)? That's how I have my R785s hooked up in my Ergonova bar.

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:24 pm
by IrrelevantD
pdlpsher1 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:54 pm
lord_brush wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:37 pm
Having just received my Pro Vibe (alloy), bars what annoys me is why the hell don’t they drill holes in the bend just above where the shifter ports will be??? They do for the Vibe carbon, and the aero variations, but not for the alloy? There’s a hole at the bar ends where they expect you to run the bar end junction wires outside of the bar up to the shifter etc. This also means I will have to run the shifter-to-shifter wire externally under the tape, along with both brake cables. There aren’t even any recessed grooves. Only way to avoid the external wiring from the bar end jctn is to use the Gap Cap option afterall. Annoying…
I do see a groove for external brake cables. As for the Di2 wiring, just drill two small 3mm holes just above the shifter ports. Run your long Di2 cable along with your brake cable to one of the shifters. Then use your newly drilled holes to run one cable connecting both shifters. Then use the newly drilled hole for connecting one shifter to the bar end junction. Yeah, I agree the factory drilled holes are at the wrong locations.

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Having had alloy bars snap on me, I would be very wary of drilling holes anywhere on my bars, especially alloy bars. I can't say that I've ever seen alloy bars with holes in the bends, and for good reason. It introduces a weak spot for cracks and breaks to form. The reason why the factory drilled holes are all the way down at the ends is because that's the one place on the bars that's not going to receive any stress. I suppose if you NEVER get out of the saddle, you might be safe, but it's not a risk I'd be willing to take.

Re: Di2 Internal Option

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:22 pm
by dricked
LiquidCooled wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:35 pm
dricked wrote: I’ve got two wires on each side of my bars on the outside of the drops. There was no other way of doing it and I’m using the PRO vibe di2 bars. One wire from right shifter to J/A bar end, J/A over to other side of bars with J/B, J/B to left bar. The R785 shifters only have one port and unless I wanted the external J/A there was no other option I could figure out.
Have you thought about the JC130 (the di2 y-connector cable)? That's how I have my R785s hooked up in my Ergonova bar.
I did but I still would have had 2 wires going out of the one hole, one to the lever and then the other from the BB both to the bar end. It would’ve been cleaner inside the bar but I was also originally planning on putting the battery in the stem instead of the seat post so it wasn’t going to work in my original plan. Really, finding out that my shifters only had one port screwed all my plans up.