BobbySweeting wrote:The brake pad selection must be controlled in order to accurately compare composite structures without introducing rogue variables. For example, the Enve rim may have gone 8 minutes with an Enve pad. We could then test a cheap eBay rim that comes with a cork pad, and it could run 9 minutes. Does this mean that the eBay rim has a better composites structure and resin? It's impossible to know. We would love to run the test again with brand specific pads in order to compare the results, so if anyone has another 9 rims to send us we will be happy to do it!
Rim and pad combinations were designed to work together as a system. It wouldn't be hard for us to understand the results. If the cheap ebay rim lasts 9 minutes and brakes just as well as the Enve they yes, then they would have a better braking system between rim and pad compound. Let us see that information and make the educated choice. Using pads that void the warranty on some of those rims is not useful.
It's surprising that there's not enough emphasis on that issue of pad glazing. That's a real concern in the real world. If controlling temperature is the result of pad glazing then I'll pass. I'd rather have positive braking performance with repeatable results.
As already stated over and over, a proper test would have been repeated stops or at the very least, repeated cycles of bringing down speed to simulate rider on a hairpin descent. It's not hard to look at the kinds of courses that people kill their carbon clinchers on and repeat those circumstances in the lab. That's why everyone is mentioning the Enve test protocol. It better simulates real world conditions.
If there's some magical resin composite combination that's so much better than everything out there, well that's great. You will corner the market and obliterate the competition with that sort of performance difference. I'd love for that to be the case but understanding material properties as much as I do (no expert) I doubt it. I remember when Lew had it all figured out with their Boron rims. They were brittle pieces of junk and didn't last more than a couple months of sales. I'm not saying that's the case here, but engineers tend to be too narrowly focused on one aspect of design and then something else pops up as an issue.
More testing and real world feedback needs to be done to prove this is the case. If you indeed have a winner on your hands it's only a matter of time. The skeptics will be silenced.