Is it too late to purchase a Colnago C60?

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Is it too late to purchase a Colnago C60

Poll runs till Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:00 am

Yes, the C60 is nearing the end of its life and it is not a good time to buy
15
17%
No, the C60 will be for sale at least through 2018 and it is a great time to buy
57
63%
The C59 is better than the C60 because it is the last flagship Colnago with a BSA bottom bracket
18
20%
 
Total votes: 90

AJS914
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by AJS914

TonyM wrote:I have 25mm tires on my C60.
Are 25mm not enough any more so that Colnago need a new frame?
The trend seems to be 25 or 28mm tires on wider rims so if I were Colnago I'd provide enough clearance for a tire that acturally measures 30 or 32mm.

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Wow that would be like endurance/ gravel for me

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AJS914 wrote:
TonyM wrote:I have 25mm tires on my C60.
Are 25mm not enough any more so that Colnago need a new frame?
The trend seems to be 25 or 28mm tires on wider rims so if I were Colnago I'd provide enough clearance for a tire that acturally measures 30 or 32mm.
if you want to put a 32 mm on a c-60 you're looking at the wrong bike and a frame designed for 32 mm tires is no longer optimized to be a road bike. i sure hope colnago doesn't move in this direction. a bike that tries to do everything winds up doing nothing to the best of its abilities. not a problem for a basic road bike but not something that is supposed to be top of the line.

I'm also still on 23's on my C-59 and have few complaints on any but the worst of roads, but if know i'm riding on bad roads or expected to off-road i bring out my firefly which is built for that.
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by AJS914

I'm running 23mm Conti GP4000s on my C59. Even on older 15C rims, they measure 25mm. On the C59, I'm at the limit. If I tried to squeeze in a 25mm GP4000, it would probably be too close to the top of the fork.

It would seem reasonable that someone would want to install a 25mm or 28mm GP4000 on a modern wide rim. That would easily break 30mm of actual width.

Agree with it or not, this is the direction of the industry.

You'll say that that is not a race bike but an endurance bike. Well, I'm sure 99% of Colnagos are not raced and they are bought my older guys with the disposable income for a $4500 frameset.

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by AJS914

BTW, the 28mm GP4000s (measures 31mm on a 17C rim) is faster than the 23mm or 25mm version:

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... i-23-25-28

Personally, I think the 25mm tire (measuring 28mm) would be the sweet spot for me but the case can be make that the tire with the fastest rolling resistance should be on a "race" bike.

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by 3Pio

AJS914 wrote:I'm running 23mm Conti GP4000s on my C59. Even on older 15C rims, they measure 25mm. On the C59, I'm at the limit. If I tried to squeeze in a 25mm GP4000, it would probably be too close to the top of the fork.

It would seem reasonable that someone would want to install a 25mm or 28mm GP4000 on a modern wide rim. That would easily break 30mm of actual width.

Agree with it or not, this is the direction of the industry.

You'll say that that is not a race bike but an endurance bike. Well, I'm sure 99% of Colnagos are not raced and they are bought my older guys with the disposable income for a $4500 frameset.
Here where i live, C60 is cheaper then Pinarello Dogma F8, F10, Bianchi Oltre XR4, Specialissima even S-Works or at least same price...

Older guys with disposable income here buying Pinarello Dogma F10 or something else which is AERO. They are not interested about C60 since is not aero and heavy :)

And i cant understund why u need more then 25mm on frameset like C60 .. If u need wider tires on this kind of frameset, u are definetely on wrong framesets..

Very often im riding gran fondos (this season few times more then 200 km, longest about 250 km) and im using 23mm tires (Conti 4000 SII ) or 25mm Corsa G+ (i prefer 23 Conti's) on Shamal Ultra 15C and Corsa G+ Tub 25mm on Bora One 35 Tub..


The fastest setup in my case are 25mm Bora tubs then 23mm Conti 4000 on Shamals (the first one offer better grip and more comfortable) and slowest 25mm Vittoria Corsa G+on Shamals...

I really believe that wider then 25mm on racing frame (yes, C60 is racing frame), is part of marketing.....

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I still prefer 23mm tubs over 25mm.
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by mag

I believe the latest C60 (2018 version) have improved tire clearance for at least 28mm tires. At least the direct-mount frame has definitely improved clearance.
I'm currently waiting for a direct-mount frame so I'll check it when it arrives (but it will take a long time).

As for the production quality, cutting costs etc - there's also this little change to recent frames which I personally don't like:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=146582
the single-piece sleeve was better solution I believe. Here they probably managed to cut some costs for the price of less robust solution.

Also regarding the BB, I cosider their current system as a good one (with that one above mentioned issue in latest frames). I'd just wish that more BB manufacturers would produce BBs directly for the TreadFit 82.5 interface so that those cups wouldn't be needed. Currently there are only those Wishbone and some Tripeak ones it seems. I have never seen them in flesh, but they don't appear to be of the screw-together type which I strongly prefer (especially as now the sleeve isn't single-piece).

And what to expect from the successor of C60? Yeah, tweaks here and there (integrated seat post clamp would be nice to have, I also prefer the 27.2 seat post but that isn't going to happen here - almost certainly) and lower weight (there are some lighter prototypes AFAIK).
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by Calnago

Yeah, I think they would definitely provide more tire clearance in a new version. Regardless of whether it's an "improvement" or not, it's what people want these days. The direct mount brakes are a red herring however imo. They don't provide any more clearance than say the newest standard mount Dura Ace rim calipers. If they do, it's minimal, but I didn't see any practical difference in comparing them. And the standard mounts seem just as stiff to me when I try pulling them from side to side. If tire clearance like 30mm+ is a concern then you should really be looking at a disc braked frameset from the get go. And dirt roads.

I haven't seen the newer two piece bottom bracket sleeves yet, but I have wondered what process they use to ensure that those two sleeves are perfectly aligned and square to each other. If they achieved that, then I suppose functionally it's as good as the one piece system. No idea what the reason for changing it was, but suspect it's easier to produce maybe.
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by mag

While just direct-mount brake calipers do not guarantee increased clearance, frame is another part of the equation and the direct-mount version of C60 frame is safe bet in this regard. I was told the classic C60 now does provide similar clearance (if I remember it should be 28mm), but I don't have any official confirmation of that.
I like to use 25mm clinchers on wider rims (19mm inner width) where the effective tire width would reach 27-28mm for some tires, thus the direct-mount C60 should be fine. Also I really like how do these latest Dura-Ace DM brakes perform so that's another reason to go that way.

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by fromtrektocolnago

mag wrote:While just direct-mount brake calipers do not guarantee increased clearance, frame is another part of the equation and the direct-mount version of C60 frame is safe bet in this regard. I was told the classic C60 now does provide similar clearance (if I remember it should be 28mm), but I don't have any official confirmation of that.
I like to use 25mm clinchers on wider rims (19mm inner width) where the effective tire width would reach 27-28mm for some tires, thus the direct-mount C60 should be fine. Also I really like how do these latest Dura-Ace DM brakes perform so that's another reason to go that way.
not to hijack a tread, i love my c-59. 23 mm's work great 99% of the time but once or twice a year i go to europe and there the climbs are more challenging and my cycling skills not exactly up to the challenge of the descents. if the replacement of the c-60 allowed for the the full universe of 25 mm tires i could see myself having some interest, assuming i still able to bike.
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by jimaizumi

I've just taken a quick fly through this thread and I can't help to notice that more than half the posts are about tire clearance more so than the ride qualities of the particular frame this poster is regarding. Frankly, I think we can all pretty much agree that each rendition of Colnago's C-series has had their particular ride qualities that seems to attract a legacy buyers from one frame to another. The C-60 is my first Colnago frame and I have nothing but good things to say about it..

I'm not sure what the next generation of C's will bring but may bring some minor improvements though I've heard that the C-60's were a bit harsher than its predecessor, the C-59. Waiting for the new model to be announced on brings upon the risk that you may not be able to order a C-60 should you not like the next release....its a risk we all have to take.

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by mpulsiv

Just because a frame can clear up to 30mm, it doesn’t mean you have to mount wider tires. It’s called “nice-to-have” feature. You can still use your rock-hard 23mm tires at 100+ psi to feel racy on training rides. No pun intended.


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by raisinberry777

jimaizumi wrote: For me, I'd love to get my hands on an Extreme Power.
Same. It's not too late to buy a C50 or an Extreme Power, let alone a C60

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Jitensha wrote:
MattN wrote:
Jitensha wrote:
fromtrektocolnago wrote: Decals?
The Art Deco C60 finishes like MPWH, MHWH, MHRD, and MHCF generally are fully painted. However C60 finishes like PLBK, PLWH, PLRD, PLLB, PLGL, PLAN, and PLCV all use simple, adhesive logos that are not protected with a matte clear coat. In comparison, C59 finishes like MTBK used paint and stencils for the majority of the graphics. They are clearly trying to grow the brand by cutting costs, moving production to Taiwan for most frames, and opening more IBD dealers than ever before. I wished their flagship frames were still lovingly crafted. It seems the frames made in Taiwan have a higher level of finish than those handmade in Cambiago.
Do you have a source or article for that information about the logos being painted on AD schemes and stickers on others?
I have seen all of the ArtDeco frames in person and that is indeed how they are spec'd.
Ok, but I can't find anything definitive about transfers being used on the other models.

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