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Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:42 pm
by ohhyeok90
Mavic R-SYS SLR
- today
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Mavic Ksyrium 125
- last month
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both cases happened during down hills on clean road.

checking spokes tension and hubs regularly.

folded by itself.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:31 pm
by PinaF8
Those are some scary pictures. I have those wheels for climbing but too pussy of a descender.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:31 pm
by Weenie

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:35 pm
by itsacarr
Care to share more information? Bizarre indeed.

It does not look like there is any damage to the bikes themselves?

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:36 pm
by caballero
How are the riders ? Did they stay upright???

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:42 pm
by eric01
Second that. How is it possible for the wheels to completely fold like that on a descent and NOT wreck the frame? Doesn’t look like either one will complete a single rotation without hitting the fork/frame


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Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:50 pm
by ohhyeok90
itsacarr wrote:Care to share more information? Bizarre indeed.

It does not look like there is any damage to the bikes themselves?


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after 50m started down hills, front wheel sounds like 'ting~ ting~' and loose control and fall off.

BH frame also cracked(top tube)

rider also injured.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:55 pm
by whosatthewheel
In the absence of an impact, I do not see how such failures can occur. I have little love for tracomp spokes and the likes, as I wrote in my blog a few years back

https://whosatthewheel.com/2015/01/08/w ... of-a-rant/

That said, wheels do not collapse and the photo of the rear clearly shows an impact as the rim cannot simply fold like that

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:11 pm
by ohhyeok90
eric01 wrote:Second that. How is it possible for the wheels to completely fold like that on a descent and NOT wreck the frame? Doesn’t look like either one will complete a single rotation without hitting the fork/frame


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I was there where second rider got accident. I didn't watching it but my friend did. he was right behind second rider.

down hill's slope is very high(above 14%), speed getting up so he tried to brake but rear wheel wobble left and right so he loose control and he flied front side and roll several times.

Thankfully it happend 200-300m after starting down hill.

so besides scratchs and bruises, he got broken left thumb.

How is possible? second rider and I wish to know that. but Amersports still don't respond about it.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:17 pm
by ohhyeok90
whosatthewheel wrote:In the absence of an impact, I do not see how such failures can occur. I have little love for tracomp spokes and the likes, as I wrote in my blog a few years back

https://whosatthewheel.com/2015/01/08/w ... of-a-rant/

That said, wheels do not collapse and the photo of the rear clearly shows an impact as the rim cannot simply fold like that


That's what most people says at first time they see these pictures.

"maybe he fall off first and a car stepped on rear wheel?"

But sadly besides myself, so many friends were there and witness that it folded by itself.

and there is more cases that mavic wheel which combo of carbon spokes and alloy rim folded like this.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:20 pm
by ohhyeok90
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:30 pm
by slake21
I'm glad I've sold my Ksyrium Pros

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:04 pm
by kidrob
I am actually surprised to see something like this, especially with Mavic products that in my knowledge have some of the of the highest standards and best reputation on the market. I see Mavic not as a very modern and state of the art, but innovative manufacturer with tradition, and once something is out its very decent and especially durable. Other than weight (depending on model and considering price-value ratio) I am not aware and experienced any issues with them whatsoever. Therefore seeing such a high-end product ending up with such fatal failure seems very extraordinary, especially breaking "against" the direction of the spokes while riding.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:23 pm
by kkibbler
...rider weight?

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:01 pm
by whosatthewheel
It is a bit surprising to see a folded wheel on an otherwise perfect bike... surely such catastrophic failure would lead to significant damage to the bike

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:10 pm
by wingguy
ohhyeok90 wrote:How is possible? second rider and I wish to know that.

From your description it sounds like he got speed wobble, crashed, and that damaged the wheel.

Re: Carbon fiber spokes + Alloy Rim = DISASTER(for MAVIC users)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:10 pm
by Weenie