Boshk wrote:Both Italian
Nope. Pinarellos are made in China. And are extremely overpriced.
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kgt wrote:Some Cipollinis (not all) are made in Kotor Varoš Bosnia in a factory owned and run by Diamant SRL. It is not outsourced, subcontracted etc. practically is the same as made in Italy.
and the relevant video:
IMHO there is no doubt Cipollinis are higher quality frames than Pinarellos.
kgt wrote:In the case of Cipollini it is not about a 'different company'. It is the same company (Diamant SRL) in both Italy and Bosnia. In any case many Cipollinis are still 100% made in Italy. Any video of Pinarello's manufacturing to share?
kgt wrote:I am aware that all this is part of the marketing strategy etc. etc. but what they claim is true. Yes, they do own a factory in Bosnia (it is cheaper for many reasons) and their chief engineers-technicians are Italians (that is what they claim, not that everyone who works there is Italian). Pinarello would not make a video claiming their frames are manufactured in Italy or in Europe because they are not.
So, I guess you are now aware that your claims:
a. All Cipollinis are made in 'Eastern Europe'.
b. Made in Bosnia Cipollinis are made by a 'different company'.
are both false.
snowdevlin wrote:Pinarellos are made in Taiwan. Cipollini in Eastern Europe.
kgt wrote:You did say that:snowdevlin wrote:Pinarellos are made in Taiwan. Cipollini in Eastern Europe.
Furthermore Cipollini is a brand name and not a company. Diamant SRL is the company that also makes DMT shoes. See the UCI sticker:
It is DIAM.BOND not CIPO.BOND
kgt wrote:You don't want to admit you were misinformed, fine, that's your problem, I won't lose any more time answering silly questions.