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mpulsiv
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by mpulsiv on Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:40 am
jeffy wrote:topflightpro wrote:kgt wrote:I like Cannondale frames a lot but I agree that it seems like the company has cost cutting as its main priority. Full internal cabling should be standard at 2018 models.
As nice as full internal cable routing looks, it is an absolute PIA to deal with when replacing cables. I think Cannondale's solution is rather genius.
I recall reading that the external routing was from feedback from Cannondale Team mechanics, guess it saves them time that they can put into BB30 servicing.
Pinarello went back to threaded from press fit at the request of Sky Mechanics....
Finally, after ~17 years we are going back to English 24mm threaded BB. Kudos to Shimano for not jumping the gun. To this day, they have no desire to produce anything but threaded BB. In the last 2 years, more manufactures starting to adopt to gold standard!
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Calnago
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by Calnago on Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:23 am
Who's going back? I wish everyone would, but I'm afraid that's wishful thinking at this point. Pinarello has always been threaded as far as I know, albeit Italian threaded which is just dumb in this day and age, although not as dumb as it was at it's inception. I can install virtually any pressfit BB so that it is trouble free it seems these days, but the threaded systems are just so simple and bombproof and anyone can do them right with a minimal amount of tools and a little grease and no need for primers and retaining compounds. And Shimano produces pressfit adaptor cups for the cranks as well, not just threaded BB's.
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havana
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by havana on Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:38 am
Specialized is going back, at least for some models.
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Calnago
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by Calnago on Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:15 am
Yes, I know for some of their alloy models, correct? But on balance, I'm not aware of any kind of "trend" back to threaded. And I don't think Pinarello ever went away from threaded, let alone going back to it.
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maquisard
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by maquisard on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:28 am
The best solution currently on the market is probably T47, which is threaded whilst also being oversized. Truth is crank axle stiiffness is rarely an issue, but BB shell stiffness is. The area around the BB in a frame is increased in system by increasing the lateral width of the shell, hence BBright, BB30A, BB386EVO etc. So the best solution is threaded whilst also being oversized enough to allow the bearings to be inboard and hence allow the shell width to be increased.
So T47 is good, however the likes of Shimano would need to come onboard to make it take off and they are notoriously conservative.
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havana
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by havana on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:43 am
Viviani wins sprints with an Italian BB, Froome wins the Tour 4 times with an Italian BB. Let's be honest, oversized pressfit style brackets are - like most innovations in the cycling industry - a solution for a non-existing problem.
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havana
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by havana on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:18 am
Sure, BSA is much better than Italian but... Italian is still a lot better than presshit !
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by jobvisser on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:27 am
Pressfit could be an awesome system, when everything is produced right it will work... but it isnt
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mpulsiv
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by mpulsiv on Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:27 pm
Calnago wrote:Yes, I know for some of their alloy models, correct? But on balance, I'm not aware of any kind of "trend" back to threaded. And I don't think Pinarello ever went away from threaded, let alone going back to it.
Tarmac went back to threaded BB last season. Every model but Pro and S-Works. These 2 are still on OSBB for one reason - keep weight weenies happy!
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asiantrick
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by asiantrick on Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:54 pm
Cannondale - the honda civic of bikes
..not that there's anything wrong with it <3
btw, who actually would paid retail for the Cannondale bike/frame nowaday. You can find a shit ton of them of Ebay for literally at half price.
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rmr40
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by rmr40 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:09 pm
TheDarkInstall wrote:Yeah that black and chrome one is pretty nice. I actually nearly bought this exact frame in March. Found a place in NZ that are doing it for a decent price.
Is this black one specific to any particular region? It is definitely not available in Japan, I know that much.
I've just bought the black / chrome SS Evo HM frameset from westbrook cycles in the UK - it was already reduced from £2299 to £1999 - with the TDF 10% discount and going through a cash back site the final price was £1700! £600 saving thank you very much.
These 2018 colours are shocking...
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Beaver
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by Beaver on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:22 pm
rmr40 wrote:TheDarkInstall wrote:Yeah that black and chrome one is pretty nice. I actually nearly bought this exact frame in March. Found a place in NZ that are doing it for a decent price.
Is this black one specific to any particular region? It is definitely not available in Japan, I know that much.
I've just bought the black / chrome SS Evo HM frameset from westbrook cycles in the UK - it was already reduced from £2299 to £1999 - with the TDF 10% discount and going through a cash back site the final price was £1700! £600 saving thank you very much.
These 2018 colours are shocking...
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What does it weigh?
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rmr40
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by rmr40 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:28 pm
Beaver wrote:rmr40 wrote:TheDarkInstall wrote:Yeah that black and chrome one is pretty nice. I actually nearly bought this exact frame in March. Found a place in NZ that are doing it for a decent price.
Is this black one specific to any particular region? It is definitely not available in Japan, I know that much.
I've just bought the black / chrome SS Evo HM frameset from westbrook cycles in the UK - it was already reduced from £2299 to £1999 - with the TDF 10% discount and going through a cash back site the final price was £1700! £600 saving thank you very much.
These 2018 colours are shocking...
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What does it weigh?
I don't know - it hasn't arrived yet! It's due to tomorrow so I'll post the weight up on here..
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