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Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:55 am
by Roel W
Specs and overall behaviour looks very interesting and although it's a masterpiece of engineering I would never buy this because it's way too expensive compared to it's competitors (as always the case with Cervelo).

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 am
by Delorre
ichobi wrote:Here's ride review photos. 3G Warning: Massive gallery. http://www.duckingtiger.com/dt-first-ri ... 5-disc-r3/

http://www.duckingtiger.com/the-all-new ... -r-series/

Fun note: the camo 'wrapping' you saw the team used is an actual frame wrapping and not a paint. The wrapping itself costs more than the frame lol.


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Funny to see the pro mechanics already haacked the cable routing to something much cleaner. The had to, I suppose, as they use Enve bars and stems and not the Cervelo parts. But, looks already much better that way!!

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 am
by Weenie

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:46 pm
by Shrike
ichobi you've been talking about the Aeroad in your review, what comparisons can you make between these two frames? My interest in the R5 is that it looks like I'll be selling the missus' Aeroad frameset and replacing it with the R5 frameset. She wants something just a little more relaxed than the Aeroad, but still racy. She doesn't climb as well out of the saddle on her Aeroad than on more trad frames (think the front end is too low), that's the main reason for wanting to move on.

Any thoughts on any of that?

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:11 pm
by wingguy
Roel W wrote:Specs and overall behaviour looks very interesting and although it's a masterpiece of engineering I would never buy this because it's way too expensive compared to it's competitors (as always the case with Cervelo).

Really? Compared to who?

Tarmac Di2 with Rovals £8500
Emonda DI2 with bontys £8000
SLR01 DI2 disc with DTSwiss £10000
Foil DI2 with Zipps £9900
Dogma F10 DI2 with Fulcrum Quattro £9250

R5 DI2 with Enves...... £7199.

Apart from the likes of direct sales companies and Giant, the price is exceptionally good as far as I can see!

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:30 pm
by ichobi
Shrike wrote:ichobi you've been talking about the Aeroad in your review, what comparisons can you make between these two frames? My interest in the R5 is that it looks like I'll be selling the missus' Aeroad frameset and replacing it with the R5 frameset. She wants something just a little more relaxed than the Aeroad, but still racy. She doesn't climb as well out of the saddle on her Aeroad than on more trad frames (think the front end is too low), that's the main reason for wanting to move on.

Any thoughts on any of that?


Aeroad is not that good of a climber. It's amazing on flat but the way it transfer power on climb feels less explosive and more grindy. Not that its flexy or anything it's just the character. If you climb a lot, Aeroad is a poorer choice than R5. For me aeroad headtube combined with integrated bar is super aggressive because it has deep drop. The R5 bar is a lot more comfortable for more hand position.

I will keep my aeroad for now cause i ride 90% flat. R5 is definitely a nimbler handling bike for sure. Both descent well.


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Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:36 pm
by boots2000
Either something is off with their stated geo (on velonews), or something is off with stack and reach.
They call 151mm headtube for a 56- Between that and a lower bb, the stack would be much less.

wingguy wrote:
ichobi wrote: Bb is 3mm lower and ht is 8mm lower.

Geo chart pedantry - the stack is 8mm lower, therefore the HT is over a centimetre lower :wink:

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:42 pm
by 53x12
wingguy wrote:
Roel W wrote:Specs and overall behaviour looks very interesting and although it's a masterpiece of engineering I would never buy this because it's way too expensive compared to it's competitors (as always the case with Cervelo).

Really? Compared to who?

Tarmac Di2 with Rovals £8500
Emonda DI2 with bontys £8000
SLR01 DI2 disc with DTSwiss £10000
Foil DI2 with Zipps £9900
Dogma F10 DI2 with Fulcrum Quattro £9250

R5 DI2 with Enves...... £7199.

Apart from the likes of direct sales companies and Giant, the price is exceptionally good as far as I can see!


R5 $4500

S-Works Tarmac $4000
Felt FR FRD $3500
Trek Emonda SLR $4000
Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod $3500
Scott Addict SL $3800


Compared to its competitors, the R5 frameset is ~13% more expensive than its next highest competitors and as much as 30% more expensive.

Even the Felt FR F1 @ $2000 (765g) is lighter than the new R5 (850g) and significantly cheaper.

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:56 pm
by TiCass
53x12 wrote:
wingguy wrote:
Roel W wrote:Specs and overall behaviour looks very interesting and although it's a masterpiece of engineering I would never buy this because it's way too expensive compared to it's competitors (as always the case with Cervelo).

Really? Compared to who?

Tarmac Di2 with Rovals £8500
Emonda DI2 with bontys £8000
SLR01 DI2 disc with DTSwiss £10000
Foil DI2 with Zipps £9900
Dogma F10 DI2 with Fulcrum Quattro £9250

R5 DI2 with Enves...... £7199.

Apart from the likes of direct sales companies and Giant, the price is exceptionally good as far as I can see!


R5 $4500

S-Works Tarmac $4000
Felt FR FRD $3500
Trek Emonda SLR $4000
Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod $3500
Scott Addict SL $3800


Compared to its competitors, the R5 frameset is ~13% more expensive than its next highest competitors and as much as 30% more expensive.

Even the Felt FR F1 @ $2000 (765g) is lighter than the new R5 (850g) and significantly cheaper.


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Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:37 pm
by Imaking20
That cost is definitely a little prohibitive. I really like the look of this and I like the subtle aero nods - it makes me wonder how this and something like the V1r would compare in a lab.

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:40 pm
by wingguy
53x12 wrote:R5 $4500

S-Works Tarmac $4000
Felt FR FRD $3500
Trek Emonda SLR $4000
Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod $3500
Scott Addict SL $3800

Compared to its competitors, the R5 frameset is ~13% more expensive than its next highest competitors and as much as 30% more expensive.


Except that's not true. The new R5 is bang in the middle of the frame prices you just listed. Plus, while frame only cost may be the most important thing for quite a few people, the complete bike market is much bigger these days and their complete bike prices in the new R5 line are very good.

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:52 am
by 53x12
wingguy wrote:
53x12 wrote:R5 $4500

S-Works Tarmac $4000
Felt FR FRD $3500
Trek Emonda SLR $4000
Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod $3500
Scott Addict SL $3800

Compared to its competitors, the R5 frameset is ~13% more expensive than its next highest competitors and as much as 30% more expensive.


Except that's not true. The new R5 is bang in the middle of the frame prices you just listed. Plus, while frame only cost may be the most important thing for quite a few people, the complete bike market is much bigger these days and their complete bike prices in the new R5 line are very good.


I was thinking about the outgoing model was at $4,500 at retail. That is true.

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https://www.racycles.com/road/cervelo/c ... meset-7913

Wasn't until TiCass posted the price sheet above in response to me that I saw the new pricing. If it is true that Cervelo dropped the price down from $4500 to 3800, that is very good news and puts it more inline with its competitors. The outgoing model was overpriced compared to what else was offered.

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:33 am
by ichobi
The price has indeed dropped. For completed bike specs they are also a better deal than previous generation because now you get full Shimano/ SRAM groupsets as well as Cervelo's own very comfy bar/stem.

Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:38 am
by Seedster
R&A had the new R5 on the showroom floor. Still prefer the look of the outgoing model


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Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:08 am
by Seedster
R&A had the new R5 on the showroom floor. Still prefer the look of the outgoing model


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Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:51 am
by Beaver
boots2000 wrote:Either something is off with their stated geo (on velonews), or something is off with stack and reach.
They call 151mm headtube for a 56- Between that and a lower bb, the stack would be much less.

wingguy wrote:
ichobi wrote: Bb is 3mm lower and ht is 8mm lower.

Geo chart pedantry - the stack is 8mm lower, therefore the HT is over a centimetre lower :wink:


They increased the fork length (distance between downtube and front wheel is bigger) so they could make the steerer tube shorter with nearly the same stack.

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Re: Cervelo R5

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:51 am
by Weenie