Dogma F10 vs Madone 9 vs Bianchi oltre 4

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Bely
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by Bely

Curious to know what everyone thinks - love the new bianchi ( basically virtually gonna get one) got distracted buy the madone when I saw it in the flesh and now the f10!!


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All are good bikes and have their fans. Suspect its all about personal preference. if you're looking to buy no substitute for a test ride and seeing what feels best to you. i enjoy the c-59 but some people do not and look to a very different kind of ride. suspect its no different than the three bikes you listed.
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by AttacknowAttackoften

Isn't the f10 about to be sued into oblivion?
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by snowdevlin

AttacknowAttackoften wrote:Isn't the f10 about to be sued into oblivion?


Hardly....

You think an italian court will decide in favour of taiwanese company over an italian?

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by AttacknowAttackoften

I can't say what will happen.
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by Shrike

Which one do you see yourself riding and loving? For me that's what it comes down to above every single other thing. What bike fits my personality, do I feel comfortable with.

From my perspective:

XR4 - unrivalled beauty
Madone - technological wonderbike
F10 - elitist fine-tuned stage machine

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So for me, the Madone would suit me best as I love techy stuff.

Reckon they all ride like a dream. Lucky man to have any of the above :beerchug:

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by fromtrektocolnago

Dogma. It's the only one that comes with a threaded bottom bracket.
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by calleking

Sorry for going a bit offtopic but what's so fantastic about having a threaded bottom bracket? There must be other variables to take into account than just that.
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by superdx

Seems maintenance of threaded BBs is a lot less annoying. With PF you need tools, locking compound and grease and sometimes they creak, though plenty of YouTube videos show you how to get around needing specialist tools.

But back on topic, the Pinarello frame would be my preference. Threaded BB just a bonus.

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I would go for the Bianchi. It looks nicer than both and it will perform great for sure.

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fromtrektocolnago wrote:Dogma. It's the only one that comes with a threaded bottom bracket.

Yes, but it's Italian threaded. Ugh!
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Calnago wrote:
fromtrektocolnago wrote:Dogma. It's the only one that comes with a threaded bottom bracket.

Yes, but it's Italian threaded. Ugh!


italian threaded on an italian bike how awful.

is the italian standard really so much worse than the english standard. I've heard the english standard is a little better and that colnago moved to it years ago, but don't recall the details
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by wingguy

With English threading the reverse threaded driveside (?) cup tightens itself under pedalling load, with Italian the pedalling load tries to undo the conventionally threaded DS cup. Can't see that it would have much real world impact wth a properly installed and torqued cup with threadlock, but then if you can use a design that has built in redundancy and no drawbacks then why wouldn't you?

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by Calnago

Ok, a little history... at this point in time, from a purely functional standpoint it doesn't matter in the least whether it's Italian threaded or English threaded since the ball bearings themselves are never running against the actual surfaces of the cups. But back in the day (yes, I was alive then), and before cartridge Bottom Brackets were prevalent (some of you are probably asking what those are even), the bottom bracket cups screwed directly into the frame, and the ball bearings were loose and rolled against the inner surface of the cup and the axle itself. The directional forces of the balls against the cups would, through the process of precession, act to turn the cups in counterclockwise direction (the normal direction to loosen things). If the bottom bracket cups weren't installed very very tightly, that was enough to often loosen and unthread the entire bottom bracket cup. It happened to me while cycling across the southern US one year on my Basso, and I didn't have a BB tool to keep it tight enough, so for a while, till I got to a major town with a tool to tighten it properly it was a royal pain in the ass. This was not at all uncommon. So, to combat this, the left hand threaded bottom bracket on the drive side (Enlgish) solved this problem completely. Now, if the BB wasn't exactly tight enough, the process of precession would act to tighten it, and not loosen it.

Then came the cartridge bearing Bottom Brackets which were completely self contained and just screwed into the threaded frame shell. The cups were there just to hold the cartridge but the ball bearings themselves never actually spun against them and were contained unto themselves. In fact, with the cartiridge type BB's, it didn't even matter whether or not you faced the frame shell, so long as the threads on both sides of the frame were aligned.

Fast forward to today and there really is absolutely no reason to be using an Italian threaded BB shell, unless you really want to just be different than what the standard has become (at least as far as threaded shells are concerned). Actually, there are no real BB standards these days, but that's another topic.

So why Pinarello still uses the Italian threads is beyond me. It doesn't matter, as the precession process is not relevant with todays BB designs, so functionally it doesn't present the issues that it did in the past, but still.... I guess they just want to hold onto a little bit of their "Italian" heritage, even though it's probably the worst aspect of the Italian heritage they could possibly want to hold onto.
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by wingguy

Calnago wrote:Fast forward to today and there really is absolutely no reason to be using an Italian threaded BB shell

Your conclusion is backwards to your explanation. If precession no longer acts on the bearing cups because of cartidge bearings (which I'm not sure is an accurate statement but anyway) then today there is no reason not to use an Italian threaded BB shell, it's just as good as English for modern applications.

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