Another Pedal Thread..
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:08 pm
Sorry to start new pedal thread, but would like to share my observation about this..
Im MTB ing from midle of 90's and most of the time i was using Time ATAC Pedals then(few years, mud, snow, any kind of weather...), and those pedals (and cleats for them), was totaly maintence free and totaly problem free.
Based on this good experience i had, i bought Time Xpresso 10 peadals for my road bike,and i was using them until month ago, and now i switched to try Look Keo 2 Max Carbon.
My observation:
1. Time Xpresso 10 (15000 km until now)
Pro: Very Light, nice float, Q-Factor, Stack, Knee Friendly..
Cons:
Not spining smoothly (ok, i realized how to upgrade bearings, so i guess i'll solve this problem).
Tension too low for me, i can unclip accidently (once i tried to jump obostacle on the road, and i got unclipped from both pedals.. It was scary situation, and i really had a lot of luck to dont fall down..) Tried to adjust the tension screw, but this screw is so soft i damaged not putting to much force, so i just give up (i stil handle it to move to next position). Even then, the tension is too low for me...
Cleats are so easy to damage, and not last long.I can cut with scissors excesive parts, and still be able to clip/unclip, but even easier to unclip.And not existing cleat covers that i know for (to be able to walk if it's needed, without destroying the cleats)
Also i got idea that quality of cleats is non consistent. One pair last like 500 km, the other 2000 km (ordering from same place, the cleats look the same, and the walking activity the same)
Also Dont like that sometimes, im not sure if i clipped in, so i unclip then clip again (that i-click make me that feeling that im clipped in, and im not).
2. Look Keo 2 Max Carbon -
Pro: Not expensive, adjustable spring, different cleats for different release angle, Cleats cover for walking, i like the feeling of clipping in (i know that i got clipped in for sure), nice bearings spinning for now (ok, i have like 500 km which is nothing)
Cons:
Creaking noise that i read about. I have cleats with grips, and i read that this kind are more prone of creaking, so i'll try with other ones as well.
Not that lightweight, Not that Knee friendly as Time (seem that i need to adjust more detailed or switch to cleats with bigger release angle..).
If i switch to the Blade 2 Carbon Ti, i'll have lightweight pedal, loose the adjustability (but i bought Keo 2 Max with adjustable spring, to find out which setting im ok, and to upgrade to Keo Blades with similar Spring force, so this non adjustability wont be a problem), but probably ill still have that creaking noise...
3. Shimano Pedals - I read so many positive reviews but did not having chance to try them. But i'll share pros/cons based on reading:
Pro: High Quality, Maintence free, different cleats for different angles, cleat covers, long lasting cleats
Cons: Not visual match for Campagnolo bike , Heavy
4. Speed Play - im not interested in this pedals, based on reading about a lot of maintence, specific cleats etc...
So even SPD Pedals are so long in use for road bike, seem that still in 2017 there is no perfect system, and still a lot of problems (except shimano as i read, but i explained their cons for me).And to be honest, i stil cant understund how is this possible with all other improvements to other components.
Anyway, For me based on all this, seem that Look pedals have the negatives that maybe i can accept. Do u think im going in right direction if i switch to Look Carbon Ti, from my Xpresso 10? Or just to wait for some new model to happen? (and in meanwhile to play with my Keo 2 Max Carbon and Time Xpresso 10) . I can see some online realiers sell Keo Blade Cr Ti 2017. Is there any difference between 2017 and 2016 model?
p.s. U used search, read a lot of threads, but did not find the answers im looking for..
Im MTB ing from midle of 90's and most of the time i was using Time ATAC Pedals then(few years, mud, snow, any kind of weather...), and those pedals (and cleats for them), was totaly maintence free and totaly problem free.
Based on this good experience i had, i bought Time Xpresso 10 peadals for my road bike,and i was using them until month ago, and now i switched to try Look Keo 2 Max Carbon.
My observation:
1. Time Xpresso 10 (15000 km until now)
Pro: Very Light, nice float, Q-Factor, Stack, Knee Friendly..
Cons:
Not spining smoothly (ok, i realized how to upgrade bearings, so i guess i'll solve this problem).
Tension too low for me, i can unclip accidently (once i tried to jump obostacle on the road, and i got unclipped from both pedals.. It was scary situation, and i really had a lot of luck to dont fall down..) Tried to adjust the tension screw, but this screw is so soft i damaged not putting to much force, so i just give up (i stil handle it to move to next position). Even then, the tension is too low for me...
Cleats are so easy to damage, and not last long.I can cut with scissors excesive parts, and still be able to clip/unclip, but even easier to unclip.And not existing cleat covers that i know for (to be able to walk if it's needed, without destroying the cleats)
Also i got idea that quality of cleats is non consistent. One pair last like 500 km, the other 2000 km (ordering from same place, the cleats look the same, and the walking activity the same)
Also Dont like that sometimes, im not sure if i clipped in, so i unclip then clip again (that i-click make me that feeling that im clipped in, and im not).
2. Look Keo 2 Max Carbon -
Pro: Not expensive, adjustable spring, different cleats for different release angle, Cleats cover for walking, i like the feeling of clipping in (i know that i got clipped in for sure), nice bearings spinning for now (ok, i have like 500 km which is nothing)
Cons:
Creaking noise that i read about. I have cleats with grips, and i read that this kind are more prone of creaking, so i'll try with other ones as well.
Not that lightweight, Not that Knee friendly as Time (seem that i need to adjust more detailed or switch to cleats with bigger release angle..).
If i switch to the Blade 2 Carbon Ti, i'll have lightweight pedal, loose the adjustability (but i bought Keo 2 Max with adjustable spring, to find out which setting im ok, and to upgrade to Keo Blades with similar Spring force, so this non adjustability wont be a problem), but probably ill still have that creaking noise...
3. Shimano Pedals - I read so many positive reviews but did not having chance to try them. But i'll share pros/cons based on reading:
Pro: High Quality, Maintence free, different cleats for different angles, cleat covers, long lasting cleats
Cons: Not visual match for Campagnolo bike , Heavy
4. Speed Play - im not interested in this pedals, based on reading about a lot of maintence, specific cleats etc...
So even SPD Pedals are so long in use for road bike, seem that still in 2017 there is no perfect system, and still a lot of problems (except shimano as i read, but i explained their cons for me).And to be honest, i stil cant understund how is this possible with all other improvements to other components.
Anyway, For me based on all this, seem that Look pedals have the negatives that maybe i can accept. Do u think im going in right direction if i switch to Look Carbon Ti, from my Xpresso 10? Or just to wait for some new model to happen? (and in meanwhile to play with my Keo 2 Max Carbon and Time Xpresso 10) . I can see some online realiers sell Keo Blade Cr Ti 2017. Is there any difference between 2017 and 2016 model?
p.s. U used search, read a lot of threads, but did not find the answers im looking for..