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C36
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by C36

MiddMan wrote:So is it right that LOOK went from (1) Keo Blade to (2) Keo Blade 2 to now (3) Keo Blade? In other words, (3) is the newest iteration?

When unengaged, does the newest Keo Blade pedal weight / bearings allow it to fall back to same position? I heard that there were lots of issues with the old versions not returning to the 12 o'clock position (e.g. photo #1 of my old pedals' which always return to that position without fail). If the newest LOOK pedal still gets stuck in various positions that would be a deal breaker for me.

Edit: PS thank you 3Pio for your previous response!

To be honest didn't followed the naming convention (but bought them end 2016 and they were listed as Keo blade 2), but since day one they go vertical (or near vertical), coming from the first generation of blades I got really pleased how easy they engage. Image


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by Jopie666

Sorry for digging up this older thread but I need some advice.
Since I’m slowly building a N+1 I need new pedals. It seems that the time RXS pedals, that I use are becoming a bit harder to find since they are out of production.
I was thinking about shimano but in that case I only want the DA. Since I need 2 pair that would be a bit to expensive.
The newer Time doesn’t appeal to me due some bad reviews. Look has some issues as well.
Is the alternative maybe exustar? They use the same cleats as look but with the same issues (creaking and fast wear)??
Any users here with their opinion?
Thanks in advance.
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by Calnago

I work on a guy’s bike who has a bunch of Time pedals. Old Times, new times. Xpresso, and the newest (I think) XPro Carbons. To me they seem cheap, plasticlike, and not very durable. Do yourself a favor and get two pairs of Ultegra pedals if you can’t afford DuraAce. Not that different, a little heavier. Work the same. Bullet proof. Cleats last (Look cleats don’t), just all round great pedals.
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Calnago wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:37 pm
I work on a guy’s bike who has a bunch of Time pedals. Old Times, new times. Xpresso, and the newest (I think) XPro Carbons. To me they seem cheap, plasticlike, and not very durable. Do yourself a favor and get two pairs of Ultegra pedals if you can’t afford DuraAce. Not that different, a little heavier. Work the same. Bullet proof. Cleats last (Look cleats don’t), just all round great pedals.
This. Every single time.

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by BdaGhisallo

Calnago wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:37 pm
I work on a guy’s bike who has a bunch of Time pedals. Old Times, new times. Xpresso, and the newest (I think) XPro Carbons. To me they seem cheap, plasticlike, and not very durable. Do yourself a favor and get two pairs of Ultegra pedals if you can’t afford DuraAce. Not that different, a little heavier. Work the same. Bullet proof. Cleats last (Look cleats don’t), just all round great pedals.
Yup. It's really hard to top Shimano SPD-SL pedals. I have used pretty much every pedal type in my thirty years of cycling except Bebop, Coombe and Campy Pro-Fit pedals and Shimano spd-sl are the best. I do have one caveat though - I don't like lateral movement in the float so Shimano's yellow cleat is not too good for me. With the yellows your feet can move about 9-11mm in and out on the pedal. This is not the angular 6 deg float that they are specced as. This is lateral movement (like Time's 2.5mm) that increases or decreases your 'Q' or stance width. Luckily I get on quite well with the blue shimano 2 deg cleats so I am not bothered. The Shimano bearings are second to none, the cleats last forever and the platform is good and solid.

As an aside, I did recently try the new Time Xpro pedals, mostly out of curiosity since I rode Time pedals from 1988 up to about 2003 when I hopped on the, then new, shimano spd-sl pedals. If you need 10deg of float and can handle the 2.5mm of lateral movement, the float sensation on these is the best I have ever tried - smooth and easy. That said, as you say Calnago, the pedals do look plasticky and fragile and the cleat bolt heads are very soft. After a few turns the bolt head sockets were a little rounded out. I never have that issue with the bolts Shimano supplies with their cleats.

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by Bigger Gear

As a guy who was on Time from 1995 to very recently, I can attest that overall Time's quality has plummeted. I have a box of dead RXS and Xpresso pedals in my basement. It's a shame the quality dropped, because Time had a great float design.

I agree with the above, Shimano pedals are pretty much the whole package. IF you can get on with the float, either in the yellow or blue cleat. I tried, and just never felt comfortable. I've migrated over to Speedplay with dedicated 4-hole Speedplay shoes. I know Speedplay is devil-speak on WW but I'm satisfied. My main issue with them before was always the 3-hole adapter, but going to a 4-hole shoe elminates that and I'm 95% happy. I do like the independent adjustability of fore-aft, lateral and rotation. My only wish would be that the rotation had just a bit more friction but that is the Time user in me.

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BdaGhisallo wrote:With the yellows your feet can move about 9-11mm in and out on the pedal. This is not the angular 6 deg float that they are specced as. This is lateral movement (like Time's 2.5mm) that increases or decreases your 'Q' or stance width.
A centimetre of lateral movement? Are you sure about that? I’ve ridden a few different pairs of SPD-SL pedals, with a few different pairs of yellow cleats, and I never experienced anything remotely close to this. At most there was maybe a millimetre of lateral movement, but even that was hard to distinguish from the angular float.

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by Calnago

Yeah, I don’t think Shimano has intentionally built in “lateral” float in any of their cleats. I thought the yellows were 8 degrees of rotational float, the blues are something less, and the reds (which I use) have zero float. And you can walk in them easily. I stop a lot :) .When the little rubber stops are gone, replace. On the Time front I had the Magnesium Equipe’s back in the early 90’s and those were so much more solidly built than what they’re churning out today.
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by BdaGhisallo

Fiery wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:35 pm
BdaGhisallo wrote:With the yellows your feet can move about 9-11mm in and out on the pedal. This is not the angular 6 deg float that they are specced as. This is lateral movement (like Time's 2.5mm) that increases or decreases your 'Q' or stance width.
A centimetre of lateral movement? Are you sure about that? I’ve ridden a few different pairs of SPD-SL pedals, with a few different pairs of yellow cleats, and I never experienced anything remotely close to this. At most there was maybe a millimetre of lateral movement, but even that was hard to distinguish from the angular float.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eaZZN5pRUw

Have a look at this clip to see what I am talking about.

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by shimmeD

I'd pick the DA ahead of Ultegra damn the cost, because of the lower stack DA offers. Last pedals I used were TriRig-Bebop-Speedplay which all have low stack. On the TriRig I found that I could ride fixed, hence I've come to the conclusion that DA SPD-SL are the bees' knees.
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by pdlpsher1

The Dura Ace pedals come with hollow cleat bolts for a slight weight saving. I spent more and got the Dura Ace. For the price It’s hard to beat the Ultegras. I was a long time Soeedplay user. I won’t be switching pedals anytime soon.


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by PJCM

I'm a long time Keywin user after using Look, Time and Shimano. Positives are their weight, serviceability (all spare parts are available), secure creak-free interface and tunable float (pedal body moves, not the cleat). Negatives are entry action (but becomes intuitive with practice) and aesthetics. A niche option and not to everyone's taste but something to consider.

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by Calnago

That video clip of the yellow Shimano cleats looks like they are really loose, in all directions. Doesn’t look right to me. Is it? I don’t have any yellow cleats on a shoe around here just now or I’d test them out.
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by Fiery

BdaGhisallo wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eaZZN5pRUw

Have a look at this clip to see what I am talking about.
Thanks, that's a really good demonstration. I guess I never noticed that because, at the time, I was riding with my heels jammed all the way in against the inner limit of the float range. Though, to be honest, that's 3-4 mm of lateral movement at the most, nowhere near 9-10 mm. I will have to test it out sometime on the pedals I have in the parts bin, it's possible some models have more free movement than others.

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by Jopie666

Thank you all for the advice! I see that you're all in the shimano camp and, I must admit, it's hard to find other reasons then to buy SPD-SL.
shimmeD wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:24 pm
I'd pick the DA ahead of Ultegra damn the cost, because of the lower stack DA offers. Last pedals I used were TriRig-Bebop-Speedplay which all have low stack. On the TriRig I found that I could ride fixed, hence I've come to the conclusion that DA SPD-SL are the bees' knees.
The price difference between ultegra and DA isn't that big but I have to buy two pair. What difference in stack are we talking about? I'm building a supersix next to my caad 12 and I don't want a big difference in riding position.
I think I'll be on the lookout for a nice discount. Best price I've seen for the DA-9100 is €165,-
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